Rossi Haters

Cloner said:

The only mistake Rossi has made lately is that he went to Yamaha instead of Honda. On equal machinery he smacks Marques in the face with his .... on the way by.

Love it or lump it, Rossi is at least equal in talent but has inferior machinery. Call me a liar and show the world what a hater you really are.

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what mistake is that? honda had pedrosa and marquez and they never offered rossi a thing. how was he going to honda. just say stuff to stay stuff i guess. it was going to be stoner and marquez but stoner retired pedrosa stayed marquez was coming no matter what

do you guys watch motogp or do you just say .... for the fun of it. the honda is the same honda as last year and guess who had more wins last year. thats right 99 not 93. he had 2 more first place finishes but a few crashes. its not the bike. its the rider. to the guy who said best team etc. rossi has had the best team and support money can buy please stop making excuses for the guy. he ruined the ducati with his nonsense and did no better than nicky did on the duc.

legend yes. product of his time yes. 2 wins in 4 years and one of those wins was when the spaniards were hurt yes.

Prince Albert said:

That Ducati he rode really was a piece of ....... probably also messed up his confidence soon after ...

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you mean the ducati he changed with burgess became a piece of ..... i believe stoner did pretty well on it

Eleven 99 said:

The M1 was garbage when Rossi left Honda for Yamaha. Not only did Rossi win his first race on it, he won the championship. The M1 was certainly not considered the better than the Honda.

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burgess has said in the past the m1 was not that far off. the other riders in that era sucked. really max? sete? caporosi? come on now .

Really the rider? What happened to Cal? 5th place on a Yamaha CRT and now on a Duc #13? Dont even tell me he is washed up. GP pilots are the top .01 % of the best riders in the world.

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Good point Burgess was a piece of ....

ScrapperX said:

Really the rider? What happened to Cal? 5th place on a Yamaha CRT and now on a Duc #13? Dont even tell me he is washed up. GP pilots are the top .01 % of the best riders in the world.

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some riders can't ride unless the bike fits them. they won't change their riding style or can't. rossi couldn't adapt to the duc he tried to change it into a yamaha it wasn't happening and the rest is history. stoner adapted to the bike road it how it was ment to be ridden. he changed his style to suit the bike not the other way around change the bike to suit the style.

rossi didnt do much better than nicky on the duc. if he was so great you know same exact bike he should have blown nicky away according to what is being said on these posts about how great rossi is. Nicky and rossi same exact bike so why didn't rossi who is so superior to everyone else not do any better.

i don't know what happened to cal but seems like dovi and crazy joe are ok on the duc. now cal isn't getting updates. he will be on lcr next year lets see.

best riders in the world for sure.

my comments on this weren't towards scrapper only the cal part

So according to some, if you put MM on the duc, he should podium and win races regularly? Not possible. Your statement that Rossi should have beaten Nicky on the Duc, is misguided at best. It was a new bike, new design, new everything with piss poor improvements that took forever. Keeping that bike on 2 wheels was a challenge every race.

To win a championship I truly believe it takes skills of a rider and a good bike. I don't think Rossi has lost a step I believe he has improved every year since the Ducati debacle.

2009 Yamaha - Won the championship
2010 Yamaha -torn Ligaments in the shoulder early in the season mid season broken tibia ten podiums, five podiums in a row in the final run in of the season, finished third in the overall standings. Pretty good for all the injuries he endured.
2011 Ducati, new bike development year, mental break down over what happened to SIC, placed 7th in the over all standing.
2012 Ducati finished 6th on a POS machine as we all know.
2013 Yamaha New Bike, Development year placed 4th overall.
2014 Yamaha third pace so far and I predict 2nd by the end of the season.

For a 35 year old competing with the young guns and the best of the best, every year has been an improvement for him. The Veteran know he has to be on the front line which he admits thats not his strong suit because he is struggling with the modern knockout qualifying format with its short Q2 pole shootout. If he doesn't he knows he will get stuck behind the Ducati's and MM and JLo will be too far ahead to catch. His bike is getting better/faster as his confidence in his bike as you can see in this last race where VR was blowing by MM's Honda and he was on the front line. It seems like VR's crew found the recipe which gives VR confidence in his bike and a better chance to be on the front line. I predict 2015 VR wins the championship.

I thought it was 2016 when the new rules take effect and that will likely reset the playing field. I'm a dyed-in-the-wool Rossi fan but I won't bet that he'll win another championship. Win more races, sure, but MM will be the target again and if Lorenzo gets out of his funk he might bring it to Rossi again (meaning beat him regularly) like he did before Rossi went to Ducati.

ScrapperX said:

Really the rider? What happened to Cal? 5th place on a Yamaha CRT and now on a Duc #13? Dont even tell me he is washed up. GP pilots are the top .01 % of the best riders in the world.

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Come on now. Cal was on a satellite bike not a CRT - he doesn't have the talent to take a CRT to 5th. Cal had a good half a season, that's it. After he signed with Ducati, he sucked on the Yamaha as well. He turned a few decent races into a pile of cash. Good for him. Yes he sucks on the Ducati. So did Dovi last year. The difference is, Dovi kept his head down and worked hard, and it's now starting to show some (meager) promise. Cal just ......., complains, and bails out when things go bad.

The KID will be dominant for at least three or more years, until everyone else adapts to his style of riding, he is doing exactly what KR did when he burst on the scene and blew everyone away with his "unorthodox" riding style. As long as Honda doesn't rest on their laurels and stop working on the bike, I don't see anyone else but MM as 2015 MGP Champ, but I'll lay money on Vallie being first Yamaha in the points.

ill take that bet

Whew i just read all 12 pages. Ok let me ask this. Did you all think when Ben "......" Spies came to GP from Wsbk and Ama he was the best because he won alot. HELL No. No fans thought that either when he won WSBK. So this is reality. Marquez is the best right now and maybe for a while, but he is not as good as Rossi until he matches what VR has accomplished and beats Rossi. Weve seen enough 2-3 year wonders that are nowhere as good as VR and hell not even as good as the consistent Pedrosa for that matter. Lorenzo is the spanish version of Spies and Crutch. (I hate that hes on a ducati). But it is the combo of the bike and rider that makes W's not just the rider.

Marq is better than Lorenzo and he will prove it again by champing a 2nd year in a row. But he has a few more chips to win balls out to even be talked about in the VR convo.

b9009b said:

Whew i just read all 12 pages. Ok let me ask this. Did you all think when Ben "......" Spies came to GP from Wsbk and Ama he was the best because he won alot. HELL No. No fans thought that either when he won WSBK. So this is reality. Marquez is the best right now and maybe for a while, but he is not as good as Rossi until he matches what VR has accomplished and beats Rossi. Weve seen enough 2-3 year wonders that are nowhere as good as VR and hell not even as good as the consistent Pedrosa for that matter. Lorenzo is the spanish version of Spies and Crutch. (I hate that hes on a ducati). But it is the combo of the bike and rider that makes W's not just the rider.

Marq is better than Lorenzo and he will prove it again by champing a 2nd year in a row. But he has a few more chips to win balls out to even be talked about in the VR convo.

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hold up for a second. i am not agreeing nor disagreeing with your points just a question. in your first line you said did you think spies is the best cause he won a lot and the answer is no but then you proceed to say rossi is the best cause he won a lot. cant have it both ways.
i am a spies fan because he won the ama and world superbike and he is an american. does it mean he is the best no but he did win a lot.
on the other hand i am not a rossi fan but he did win a lot too. does that mean hes the best again no but you said you cant talk about the others with ORAT till they win more.

which is it

Ps until he beats rossi? again confused he has consistantly beat rossi for 2 years. hes only been in moto gp for 2 years. so yes he is better.

i would pick doohan lorenzo stoner marquez agastini no specific order. before i picked rossi to start my team with.

Mark by beat him, i mean pass him in accolades. But spies did the same thing Marq is doing. You cant crown someone something until theyve completely beat the best before them. But i do believe if anyone can pass rossi, doohan and aga it would be Marq. But until that time he isnt the best.

And on the spies reference he couldn't and still cant cut it at GP level. That was the point of that reference sorry.

If Marq walked away at the end of the season like stoner did is he better than VR by what hes accomplished so far?

He'd be better this year. And better last year. Conversely how can you say Rossi is better by virtue of he's had more shots at success in GP than Marc has? Best you can do is compare Rossi's first two years to Marquez's first two. Rossi loses that comparison.

I'm not a Rossi hater, I like Rossi. But everyone seems to want to minimize what Marquez has done the past two seasons and that bothers me.

Im not at all minimizing his achievements. He is a phenomenal rider and fearless as it gets but it seems everyone is to eager to crown someone. I do like rossi but even he has to still being over aga and doohan to this day.

b9009b said:

Mark by beat him, i mean pass him in accolades. But spies did the same thing Marq is doing. You cant crown someone something until theyve completely beat the best before them. But i do believe if anyone can pass rossi, doohan and aga it would be Marq. But until that time he isnt the best.

And on the spies reference he couldn't and still cant cut it at GP level. That was the point of that reference sorry.

If Marq walked away at the end of the season like stoner did is he better than VR by what hes accomplished so far?

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if you think spies did the same in motogp that marquez has so far you are seriously mistaken or you are smoking some really good stuff and if thats the case you don't live far share some. spies was great in wsbk and ama not so much in GP. spies i believe i could be wrong had 3 podiums total no wins in motogp. it could be 2.
marc is the youngest reining motogp champ. has won 11 straight races to start a season, has podiumed in every race in motogp except 5. so in 33 races so far he has 28 podiums. not sure but i can look it up something like 20 poles. in a head to head comparison Orat has won twice once MM was hurt last year and this year he crashed out. those are ORATs 2 only wins head to head. actually those are ORATs only 2 wins in 4 years.

completely beat orat its not even close he has been mercy ruled by MM. its embarrassing what he has done not just orat but everyone else except for last year. JLO had 8 wins last year MM had 6 but injuries made JLO finish a few races not so well. it was a hell of a season last year by MM but you can't forget how close it was and what JLO went through and still raced. guy came in 7th the day after he broke his collar bone.

mark419ny said:

if you think spies did the same in motogp that marquez has so far you are seriously mistaken or you are smoking some really good stuff and if thats the case you don't live far share some. spies was great in wsbk and ama not so much in GP.

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That was my point of Spies. I was using spies as an example of crowning them too soon. He won alot in a few seasons. Same as Marq. VR has won alot in many seasons not just a few. Once Marq does that(which I believe he may barring a bad accident) then its a different thing.

Dont forget to answer this one

If Marq walked away at the end of the season like stoner did is he better than VR by what hes accomplished so far?