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b9009b said:
That was my point of Spies. I was using spies as an example of crowning them too soon. He won alot in a few seasons. Same as Marq. VR has won alot in many seasons not just a few. Once Marq does that(which I believe he may barring a bad accident) then its a different thing.

Dont forget to answer this one :D

If Marq walked away at the end of the season like stoner did is he better than VR by what hes accomplished so far?
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Yes he is better youngest ever champion youngest ever 2 in a row champion. Tied most wins to start a season and his percentage of podiums is insane. Your asking the wrong guy though. I think 46 aka Orat is the most over rated rider ever. However he still had to win the races which he did.
Not in any order if I ran a race team MM JLO Stoner Doohan Augustini
 
mark419ny said:
Yes he is better youngest ever champion youngest ever 2 in a row champion. Tied most wins to start a season and his percentage of podiums is insane. Your asking the wrong guy though. I think 46 aka Orat is the most over rated rider ever. However he still had to win the races which he did.
Not in any order if I ran a race team MM JLO Stoner Doohan Augustini
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A hated no is a no. lol. I give Marq this if he continues the way he is going and keeps riding on the edge every race he won't lose any chips and he will be the winningest and best racer of all time.

My team would be Pedrosa, VR, Marq, Aug and Bayliss no order. Hands down.
 
Interesting choices you have there. Pedrosa who has always been with Honda and has never won anything and no stoner who is the only guy to win on the ducati and then again on the Honda. Bayliss in gp? Wow. I love troy but in gp he wasnt that good. Dominant in wsbk but gp disappointing. If that's the case .... it I'll take Josh Hayes
Who wins Sunday?
 
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I tried not to become a victim of the moment....Doohan, Roberts Sr., VR & Max (no Chip, but a consistent rider)
 
mark419ny said:
Interesting choices you have there. Pedrosa who has always been with Honda and has never won anything and no stoner who is the only guy to win on the ducati and then again on the Honda. Bayliss in gp? Wow. I love troy but in gp he wasnt that good. Dominant in wsbk but gp disappointing. If that's the case .... it I'll take Josh Hayes
Who wins Sunday?
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Marq or Dovi
 
If only jlo was that good anymore lol

Pedrosa could get 2 or even win. But dovi will do better maybe iannone on the podium.
 
b9009b said:
If only jlo was that good anymore lol

Pedrosa could get 2 or even win. But dovi will do better maybe iannone on the podium.
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not good anymore hes been second or first in every race since the halfway point. hes in fourth closing in on third with 2 dnf which is a loss of 50 points. second best rider out there is jlo. ionne and dovi (both who i like) have no shot at the top 4 yet. they are on an inferior product and inferior tires. they do not get the same options as the factory cause ducati chose the open class loop hole.
 
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But jlo is scared. You can see it everytime his bike wiggles. And hmm i remeber some races where he wasnt 1st or 2nd. I think u meant pedrosa lol
 
b9009b said:
But jlo is scared. You can see it everytime his bike wiggles. And hmm i remeber some races where he wasnt 1st or 2nd. I think u meant pedrosa lol
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i said since the halfway point. aka after he signed his deal with yamaha.

race 10 indy second jlo
race 11 bruno second jlo
race 12 british second jlo
race 13 italy second jlo
race 14 aragon first jlo.
pretty good second half of the year
 
I know, I was messing with you. He has had a decent 2nd half. But so has Pedrosa and VR
 
mark419ny said:
pedrosa is doing what pedrosa always does. same as Orat. he will end up same as last year in 4th
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Do you think pedrosas bike is the same as marqs its not honda even achnowledged it. Pedrosa has never been giving a #1 bike. Hes beat marq vr jlo and others on a #2 bike. I want to see him on marqs bike.
 
dude are you serious with all the stuff you say. pedrosa has a number 2 bike because he is a number 2 rider. if stoner didnt retire you know who the odd man out was going to be right. MM was coming no matter what. thats right pedrosa.

he had the number one bike for a long time and has done nothing with it. MM had it one year and won the championship. stoner had it 2 years and got a championship and a third. if he didnt crash at indy in 2012 he may have had 2 championships.
 
I can only take that with a grain of salt as i have no clue who that guy is.

But i will say this the Espar on a repsol is a terrifying and exciting idea. Lol. Or smith for that matter
 
^ Espargaro bros, sure. Smith? No way. He's lucky to have been given another Tech 3 seat. Yamaha should have pushed to get Vinales on that bike. Oh well, at least the Suzuki team looks interesting, even if the bike proves to be a fair bit behind.
 
Im wondering about the Suzuki bike. The vermuelen, hopkins era suzukis sucked
 
^ It should be expected to be a fair bit behind, at least in the early stages. Last I read, their times were 2-3 seconds off. Granted, the conditions can't be directly compared to the competition since they haven't gone head-to-head on race weekends.

That said, I expect 2015 to be more of a development year, with reasonable objectives (eg: top 10s, and showing well against the Aprilias). With no freeze, we should see a steady flow of tech from the factory, much like we're seeing from Ducati.

Vinales is a stud, and A. Espargaro has proven speed, so at least they have quality riders in place.
 
I was glad to see Espar get the ride. I think once they get the bike running top speed he will make it shine. He reminds me of a young Duhamel. Hopefully its a beast and then Ducati can man up the bikes and have a 4 way battle instead of a run away
 

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