Rossi vs Lorenzo 1st year on the Duc as 7/3

All I got to say is look at how many riders can do alright on the Ducati now vs when Rossi and Hayden rode it. No one was anywhere on that turd. The Duc has 2 WINS already this year. Lorenzo sucks.

You seem... emotional.

A multi-time MotoGP champion by definition doesn't suck.

Not even a little bit. I'm actually elated to see him fail so miserably. He is by far my least favorite on the grid.

Emotional.

I think Marquez would've done well on the Ducati, late braking, riding loose. But why would go there, he's got 3 GP titles and counting. If Yamaha can't figure their stuff out soon, they are just handing #4 for Marquez, even on a bad day, he's top 5. Consistency wins championships.

Agreed. MM I think would be way closer to "Stonering" the Ducati. Lorenzo needs a Rolex to ride and favorable environmental circumstances or it's going to be a long day. Yamaha right now due to their difficulties has 4 riders in the hopper instead of 2. I think Honda is the winner this year for sure barring MM doing any serious asphalt sampling. Lorenzo has hinted of "something new". It had better be a Rocket motor and a power steering unit or it may not be enough

I went back and looked at Dovi's first year on the Ducati and it is safe to say that Lorenzo has outperformed Dovi. Do I didn't podium at all his first year, Lorenzo scored his first podium in his fourth race. Lorenzo, for the most part, finished closer to the winner than Dovi did his first season. Obviously all these comparisons are apples and oranges.

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ok just to give some more facts about rossi and the ducati. thanks birdman thats who wrote this.

Rossi did have the bike Stoner apparently developed into a dog. That was another of the bopper 'facts' that we non believer conspiracy theorists used to argue against from our flat planet.

Rossi used this bike for the absolutely amazing first half results of:

7th, 5, 5, 3, 5, 6, 4, 6, 9.

But then the important part. By half season Rossi was stamping his mark on the development of the bike. He had methodically rectified the flaws Stoner had imparted and the Ducati was now a sharpened weapon that went on to finish:

6th, 6, 10, 7, 10, crash, crash, DNS, crash.

Alas by then Rossi was desperate to escape the situation and run back to Yamaha. And Ducati were left up .... creek. It was finally acknowledged from goat Stoner in fact rode like a god. Man it sucks being wrong all the time.

Now lets just wait and see how Lorenzo finishes up the season to complete this comparison.

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LMAO! Your posts always make me laugh. What's makes it better is that its true.

cmh210 said:

LMAO! Your posts always make me laugh. What's makes it better is that its true.

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It's funny cause it's true


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mark419ny said:

so much wrong with this statement but lets fix it shall we. lets say first that rossi was never and wasn't ever going to be competitive on the bike. nor has he been competitive in the world championship since 2010.

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Sure sounds good. I will look for direct corrections to my statement,

1 stoner was the most successful rider on the ducati EVER. stoner wasn't getting worse the bike was and ducati would do nothing stoner suggested.

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This, of course, was my point. The bike that Valentino inherited was the same bike you just said was getting worse.

I'm not sure how you missed this, because this was the ONLY point of my post, and the one you said you were going to correct. Strange your first point would agree with it, no?

Rossi got a bike that Ducati screwed up, Lorenzo has a bike that was leading a championship and has won two races thus far.

Thanks for the agreement, let's see if you fix my statement (that you agree with) later on..

2 casey didn't jump ship to honda his contract was up and ducati ...... him royally in his lactose year. he won them a championship and they offered lorenzo more money AFTER they told stoner they had no more. Stoner stayed at ducati his contract was over he left for more money to honda. like rossi did when his contract was up and went to ducati because jorge was the number one rider.

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Jumping ship, in my context, doesn't mean that you leave before your contract is up. Ducati did Casey wrong. Casey left for a faster and more competitive bike. When Casey left, Ducati was no longer competitive.

3 every single thing stoner suggested to ducati has come true much like everything he has said about the michelins has come true

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Okay... cool and completely irrelevant point. However, you are supposed to be correcting what I got wrong in my statement, and the only time you addressed my statement, you agreed with me.

4 rossi was the one that said he will fix the ducati in 30 seconds with burgess remember that?

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Again... cool and completely irrelevant. When are you going to fix what I said?? However, you are supposed to be correcting what I got wrong in my statement, and the only time you addressed my statement, you agreed with me.

5 the bike stoner was on in velancia in 2010 was the same exact bike rossi used for a baseline test. rossi was 3 seconds off of stoners pace and rossi hung it up right then and there for 2 years

as far as lorenzo goes it has taken dovi 5 years to get 3 wins on the duc give jorge some time.

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Okay, so far, just to recap...

Your point one.. Agreed with me
Point two-four... Had nothing to do with the subject.
Your point five... Really the second point on subject.. but really the first time you disagree with me...

Yes, Stoner was an amazing rider on the Ducati. From a talent standpoint he is one of the best. In 7 years as a GP rider he won 2 championships. Yes, he was LESS THAN A SECOND faster on the Ducati he had been riding for 5 years, compared to Rossi who just threw a leg over it for the first time.

So Rossi's results on a far less competitive bike where better and more impressive than Lorenzo's results on a far more competitive bike...
This is a statistical fact. I'm sorry you don't like the fact, but the facts are the facts and they don't change just because you wish them to.

As far as your THREE SECOND claim, this is the second or third time I have heard you make such a statement. Can you please clarify where you are getting these numbers? I have searched MotoGP.com and remember watching both the race and the test at the time. Here are the numbers I came up with.

Casey Stoner - WUP - Valenica 2010 - fastest lap 1:33.389
Casey Stoner RACE- Valencia 2010 - fastest lap 1:33.018

Valentino Rossi - SES1 - Valencia Pre Testing - fastest lap 1:33.882
Valentino Rossi - SES2 - Valencia Pre Testing - fastest lap 1:33.761

Rossi was .74- off Stoner's best pace

Just like Lorenzo was .5- of Ianonne's best time in a similar situation, except that Ianonne is no Stoner.





So for the ultimate recap.... You said you were going to "FIX" my statement.

Your points in order:
1) Agreed with me that Lorenzo is on a more competitive bike than Rossi had - relative. We both agree Stoner was amazing and Ducati was responsible for messing up Rossi's bike.
2) Nothing to do with the point, but a cool point none-the-less.
3) Nothing to do with the point, but a cool point none-the-less.
4) Nothing to do with the point, but a cool point none-the-less.
5) Given than the numbers you use are simply ........, you claim 3 seconds, reality for fastest times was .7 seconds, your entire point is simply an exaggeration and can be dismissed.

Your idea of "fixing" my thread was was to exaggerate how slow Rossi was on the Ducati by almost 400%?

Maybe, you'd like a second chance? Next time, I would ask you kindly to stick to the topic instead of 80% of your points serving more to fill space with useless information and deviate from the subject.

Sadly, three people agreed with your logic and conclusions, while I am still trying to figure out what they were. Maybe I'm the .....?

Either ways, happy 4th

Todd H said:

Sure sounds good. I will look for direct corrections to my statement,




This, of course, was my point. The bike that Valentino inherited was the same bike you just said was getting worse.

I'm not sure how you missed this, because this was the ONLY point of my post, and the one you said you were going to correct. Strange your first point would agree with it, no?

Rossi got a bike that Ducati screwed up, Lorenzo has a bike that was leading a championship and has won two races thus far.

Thanks for the agreement, let's see if you fix my statement (that you agree with) later on..



Jumping ship, in my context, doesn't mean that you leave before your contract is up. Ducati did Casey wrong. Casey left for a faster and more competitive bike. When Casey left, Ducati was no longer competitive.



Okay... cool and completely irrelevant point. However, you are supposed to be correcting what I got wrong in my statement, and the only time you addressed my statement, you agreed with me.



Again... cool and completely irrelevant. When are you going to fix what I said?? However, you are supposed to be correcting what I got wrong in my statement, and the only time you addressed my statement, you agreed with me.



Okay, so far, just to recap...

Your point one.. Agreed with me
Point two-four... Had nothing to do with the subject.
Your point five... Really the second point on subject.. but really the first time you disagree with me...

Yes, Stoner was an amazing rider on the Ducati. From a talent standpoint he is one of the best. In 7 years as a GP rider he won 2 championships. Yes, he was LESS THAN A SECOND faster on the Ducati he had been riding for 5 years, compared to Rossi who just threw a leg over it for the first time.

So Rossi's results on a far less competitive bike where better and more impressive than Lorenzo's results on a far more competitive bike...
This is a statistical fact. I'm sorry you don't like the fact, but the facts are the facts and they don't change just because you wish them to.

As far as your THREE SECOND claim, this is the second or third time I have heard you make such a statement. Can you please clarify where you are getting these numbers? I have searched MotoGP.com and remember watching both the race and the test at the time. Here are the numbers I came up with.

Casey Stoner - WUP - Valenica 2010 - fastest lap 1:33.389
Casey Stoner RACE- Valencia 2010 - fastest lap 1:33.018

Valentino Rossi - SES1 - Valencia Pre Testing - fastest lap 1:33.882
Valentino Rossi - SES2 - Valencia Pre Testing - fastest lap 1:33.761

Rossi was .74- off Stoner's best pace

Just like Lorenzo was .5- of Ianonne's best time in a similar situation, except that Ianonne is no Stoner.





So for the ultimate recap.... You said you were going to "FIX" my statement.

Your points in order:
1) Agreed with me that Lorenzo is on a more competitive bike than Rossi had - relative. We both agree Stoner was amazing and Ducati was responsible for messing up Rossi's bike.
2) Nothing to do with the point, but a cool point none-the-less.
3) Nothing to do with the point, but a cool point none-the-less.
4) Nothing to do with the point, but a cool point none-the-less.
5) Given than the numbers you use are simply ........, you claim 3 seconds, reality for fastest times was .7 seconds, your entire point is simply an exaggeration and can be dismissed.

Your idea of "fixing" my thread was was to exaggerate how slow Rossi was on the Ducati by almost 400%?

Maybe, you'd like a second chance? Next time, I would ask you kindly to stick to the topic instead of 80% of your points serving more to fill space with useless information and deviate from the subject.

Sadly, three people agreed with your logic and conclusions, while I am still trying to figure out what they were. Maybe I'm the .....?

Either ways, happy 4th

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logic won't help the forum ...^ -- he is deranged and dumb. sadly, your well reasoned response will not convince stupid nor fix him. one only has to look at the lifetime stats to at very least be in awe of the accomplishments; there is nothing worse than a small man incapable of giving props where props are due and 46 deserves at very least that much, irrespective of whatever personal bias one might have.

happy july 4 and happy thanksgiving bc every day above ground is a day to celebrate and give thanks, though july 4th i'm not so sure about as per Ron Paul's note du jour:

http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2017/july/03/we-must-declare-independence/

damn guys, if anyone wants to tell me that both Rossi and Lorenzo are not Gods on motorcycles then I don't want to listen, lol

The Ducati requires a unique approach and some people are able to make it work and some aren't.

I do think Lorenzo came into a better situation on a bike that appears to work for more riding styles then just one but its still very different then what Lorenzo has been on. Its not like he is just trying to be crazy fast on it, he is. he is trying to be the best rider In the WORLD over race distance on race day.

I am big Ducati fan so would like to see him succeed, I am not a big Lorenzo fan but will not discount the fact that when he is on he is so insanely good its AWESOME!!

Why don't they just hire Casey Stoner to train Lorenzo how to ride the bike..?

On second thought....If they tried that I am sure that would go over with Lorenzo like turd in the punchbowl at a Sunday social LOL..

Two totally different riders and different riding styles.. So far Stoner is the ONLY one that could tame the beast..

Speedy

Why don't they just hire Casey Stoner to train Lorenzo how to ride the bike..?

On second thought....If they tried that I am sure that would go over with Lorenzo like turd in the punchbowl at a Sunday social LOL..

Two totally different riders and different riding styles.. So far Stoner is the ONLY one that could tame the beast..

Speedy

Yep he won in 2007. Couldn't in 2008,2009,2010 (yea I know, politics and conspiracies) then went to Honda to get it done in 2011 but look at that season. What a .... show. He had 1 competitor, Lorenzo and Lorenzo missed 4 races. The guy never won a 250 series and he never backed up a premier class title. Great rider for sure. I just don't the "god like" status.