School me on DSC
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Kinda. It doesn't really let you slide the bike, it's, overzealous. DSC1 I think is useful, DSC2 holds you back.
Maybe it does let the rear slide, but not really enough. But, it gives good drive, usually. Obviously, some corners require slide, and some don't.
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I haven’t tried to slide the rear end at recent tracks I’ve been to but at Autoclub Speedway there was at least one corner with a good run off area and at low enough speeds that I got to play with sliding the rear end in a few settings, anything above DSC 1 it intervenes so much that there is no real slide, in DSC1 if you really overdo the throttle it lets you drift the rear end just a little bit, and just when it’s going around enough to spook you, it pretty smoothly arrests the slide…I found it to be programmed really well if you just want a tiny pivoting slide, or an ass saver if you over cook the throttle on exit.
The key thing though is to trust the electronics to intervene instead of panicking and letting off the throttle, which can cause a high side….as it starts to slide just hold the throttle steady where it’s at, don’t increase or decrease the throttle, just let the DSC do its work.
The key thing though is to trust the electronics to intervene instead of panicking and letting off the throttle, which can cause a high side….as it starts to slide just hold the throttle steady where it’s at, don’t increase or decrease the throttle, just let the DSC do its work.
So would it be reasonable to treat it as a version of dtc but it just lets you step out a bit more?
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Exactly
Think of it like rear wheel traction control that operates at lean coming off corner apex’s, certainly let’s you be more brave about getting on the throttle earlier and harder coming out of a corner when you’ve used it a few times and are confident in it.
You can still high side if you panic release the throttle, but it’s pretty good about saving you if you over throttle as the back end starts to go….so you can actually hooligan it a bit on the throttle and as long as you stay in it the DSC will nannie you like a Dad saves the toddler in those Dad saves videos lol…just kinda pics you up a tells you ‘slow down there cowboy’.
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Well, here's the exciting bit. DSC sits above DTC, but activates DTC to control/restrict the slide.
DTC only works, if it detects a difference in wheel speeds in a straight line, and reduces rear wheel speed via engine output.
DSC detects sideways movement, and then activates DTC to restrict engine output.
It's incredibly smooth.
I'll link my last track video, scroll past my waffle about stuff, and watch the lap (only 50s). Every time the yellow light comes on, is DSC. I only knew it was on, when I watched the footage. You can't hear it intervening either.
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So does this mean that DTC intervenes when it detects a wheelie since rear wheel speed will surpass the front?
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On older bikes, yes, the two were linked.
But not on the V4, the DWC would intervene. If you turned DWC off, but had DTC high, you'd wheelie.
I'm sure Deussen could enlighten everyone on to how they interact with each other.
What I really should've done, is done a session with DSC off, but forgot
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On older bikes, yes, the two were linked.
But not on the V4, the DWC would intervene. If you turned DWC off, but had DTC high, you'd wheelie.
I'm sure Deussen could enlighten everyone on to how they interact with each other.
What I really should've done, is done a session with DSC off, but forgot
And I should probably read more
I’m sure it’s explained somewhere. But as of now I’m quite confused about the difference between DTC and DSC.
I’ll try to find out more
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And I should probably read more
But as of now I’m quite confused about the difference between DTC and DSC.
I’ll try to find out more
I think there's definitely grey area and overlap!
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True, it does. But, I've never had the DSC field light up, even when I've switched between DSC1 and DSC2, and you can feel the difference in the settings.
DSC, also uses ABS, to control rear end slides on corner entry.
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On older bikes, yes, the two were linked.
But not on the V4, the DWC would intervene. If you turned DWC off, but had DTC high, you'd wheelie.
I'm sure Deussen could enlighten everyone on to how they interact with each other.
What I really should've done, is done a session with DSC off, but forgot
Sorry, cannot say much about the actual functionality except for what you find on the Ducati page. My main expertise is on the engine controls side and not the vehicle dynamics. But I am working on bringing the 2023 EVO3 BBS functionality to the Euro4 Panigale V4 models and also the V2 model. Will be a few weeks until we can track test. Will most likely require to purchase the latest BBS hardware (around 360 Euros) plus a customer reflash in the range of 300 too 400 Euros.......As a reference: Ducati offers the EVO3 BBS update to Panigale V4 2021 and up models for 616 Euros.
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DAVC seems to be a pretty complex dance that requires pretty specific parameters. Per the manual, DAVC is calibrated to OE tires (aspect ratio seems to be emphasized) and final drive. Seems an "automatic calibration" (they probably mean tire calibration) should be performed prior to a trackday and/or anytime wheels are changed. From my understanding, it sounds like you need a DTC setting where you're starting to invoke DTC. Seems like you'll only be able to get slide slip in DTC 1-3. It also seems that the system prefers a smoother more leaned over style than a point and shoot.
Rick, have you performed these tire (tyre?) calibrations on you bike since you've changed tires/final drive?
I've accidentally slid the rear with no DSC intervention that I could tell. Turn 7 at T-hill West is super slow and tight and tends to pump the rear as the bike is straightening up. Which may explain why it needs more steady state smooth riding instead of point and shoot. You'd probably better test it on sweepers especially one's that open up on exit.
Rick, have you performed these tire (tyre?) calibrations on you bike since you've changed tires/final drive?
I've accidentally slid the rear with no DSC intervention that I could tell. Turn 7 at T-hill West is super slow and tight and tends to pump the rear as the bike is straightening up. Which may explain why it needs more steady state smooth riding instead of point and shoot. You'd probably better test it on sweepers especially one's that open up on exit.
Interesting responses, the 1299 evo had slide control and I was pretty sure I was using it as there were plenty of times when the rear felt very "loose" and started walking on exit. The reason I'm asking is to get an idea of how much you can lean on these advanced features without chucking it into the weeds.
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On a 1299, is it really slide control once it lets loose?
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