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Isn't Ducati.ms - The Ultimate Ducati Forum bigger anyway?
And I agree with the sandy vagina comment.
please rhino, stop...
its hurting my eyeeesss...
I will post pictures of fat dogs until I stop reading dumb .... in this thread... or the internet runs out of pictures of fat dogs.
The latter will probably happen first.
I may switch to fat cats... gerbils...
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Agreed, but if you wanna post stuff that will make people wish they never looked, its gotta be nasty fat chicks
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Here's the deal for me; if the smoke on start-up quits after a few miles or it's something that can be fixed or tuned out... I'm good.
But if Ducati tells me this is normal and it will continue for the life of the bike, even if it doesn't do any harm... I'm out. I'll probably buy a BMW s1000RR.
I don't think anyone is trying to say for sure what the issue is because we just don't know right at this moment.
I just want Ducati to tell me that this is not normal and it will go away after some miles.
But if Ducati tells me this is normal and it will continue for the life of the bike, even if it doesn't do any harm... I'm out. I'll probably buy a BMW s1000RR.
I don't think anyone is trying to say for sure what the issue is because we just don't know right at this moment.
I just want Ducati to tell me that this is not normal and it will go away after some miles.
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dear! Ducati says the following to us who have received cycle
The Superquadro engine is extremely sporty and as you already know is equipped with a new piston and cylinder heat system and large piston diameter of 112 mm. It is necessary for this engine to be run in appropriately to allow adjustment of the mechanical components and also the correct seating of the piston rings.
Particularly during the running in period, corresponding to the usual 1000 Km (deadline provided with onboard instrumentation), it may be that the oil consumption and exhaust smoke are higher than average, but without this being a problem with the engine in question. Running in and the gradual settling of the components will lead to a rapid reduction of the engine lubricant to normal values. Therefore it is recommended to verify the level of the lubricating oil during the running in period, approximately every 300km (for the correct level verification see page of the Owner’s Manual)
The Superquadro engine is extremely sporty and as you already know is equipped with a new piston and cylinder heat system and large piston diameter of 112 mm. It is necessary for this engine to be run in appropriately to allow adjustment of the mechanical components and also the correct seating of the piston rings.
Particularly during the running in period, corresponding to the usual 1000 Km (deadline provided with onboard instrumentation), it may be that the oil consumption and exhaust smoke are higher than average, but without this being a problem with the engine in question. Running in and the gradual settling of the components will lead to a rapid reduction of the engine lubricant to normal values. Therefore it is recommended to verify the level of the lubricating oil during the running in period, approximately every 300km (for the correct level verification see page of the Owner’s Manual)
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didn't you already post this? OK, I thought those were your words - not Ducati's words.
If Ducati is saying that the rings need to seat I'm worried. What other engine do you know of that burns that much oil when new because of the rings?
What happens when some engines don't run-in properly? Will they need a hone and new rings and start over again?
and why the hell is norway getting bikes so soon?
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I'm stressin out, I think I'll start posting fat dogs...
So I wrote again! so you could see it was Ducati's words!
I only know that my smokes only when it is a bit cold! disappear pretty quickly! and this shall be shown progressively better! This has some new details we have not seen before!
I was first because I used a very good deal! it gave me a demo bike
I only know that my smokes only when it is a bit cold! disappear pretty quickly! and this shall be shown progressively better! This has some new details we have not seen before!
I was first because I used a very good deal! it gave me a demo bike
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Well lucky for me many people will have bikes before I get mine - So I'll get the benefit of their experiences before I finally have to write that check.
I have watched a couple of videos of the Panigale on the dyno, full power,full rpms, no smoke. As I noted a while back I have had several bikes that would smoke on startup, if the bike had previously been started briefly cold, and then shut off. It's uphill into my garage and the BMW is heavier than the Duc, so I frequently start it briefly to put it in the garage. When next started it will smoke a bit.
Note, all of this concern comes from videos of new bike being started, didn't see any smoke from the bikes actually on the road. None of the testers so far have made note of it.
Well, I supose we need something to talk about until we get bikes under our butts.
I predict the "smoking issue" will evaporate once the bikes are in our hands.
Note, all of this concern comes from videos of new bike being started, didn't see any smoke from the bikes actually on the road. None of the testers so far have made note of it.
Well, I supose we need something to talk about until we get bikes under our butts.
I predict the "smoking issue" will evaporate once the bikes are in our hands.
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All of you guys are trippin! A little smoke IS normal on ALL internal combustion engines while the rings seat in. Some you don't see it as much as others due to exhaust/emissions design.
Run the thing like a raped ape from mile 0 with varied RPM constantly and keeping it gear and letting the engine brake do it's job in between speed bursts. This will get the rings seats the fastest possible way and deliver the most HP in the long run. This is pretty much normal for all high performance engine nowadays. See the videos of how the Corvette factory runs ALL cars full blast on a dyno before leaving final inspection at the factory?
Everyone's break in methods differ slightly and are mostly dictated by other components which need proper break-in separate from the piston rings so just follow the manual as close as you feel reasonable for whatever methodology you subscribe to
Run the thing like a raped ape from mile 0 with varied RPM constantly and keeping it gear and letting the engine brake do it's job in between speed bursts. This will get the rings seats the fastest possible way and deliver the most HP in the long run. This is pretty much normal for all high performance engine nowadays. See the videos of how the Corvette factory runs ALL cars full blast on a dyno before leaving final inspection at the factory?
Everyone's break in methods differ slightly and are mostly dictated by other components which need proper break-in separate from the piston rings so just follow the manual as close as you feel reasonable for whatever methodology you subscribe to
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Not smoking when hot is a sign of a healthy engine. But not smoking when cold is another indicator of a healthy engine, though, too.
If someone could smell the smoke we'd know if it was oil or antifreeze/water.
Smoke has a characteristic acrid smell and smoking when cold is an indicator that oil is slipping past the valve guides, into the combustion chamber OR oil could be getting past the piston rings while the piston is cold due to tolerances being too loose until warmup/piston expansion. If either of these are the case, only time will tell how much worse it will get.
If the smoke smells sweet, it's a head gasket problem.
Hopefully it is just some idiosyncratic valve / gasket mating issue that corrects itself after 50 miles or so. We'll know soon enough!
If someone could smell the smoke we'd know if it was oil or antifreeze/water.
Smoke has a characteristic acrid smell and smoking when cold is an indicator that oil is slipping past the valve guides, into the combustion chamber OR oil could be getting past the piston rings while the piston is cold due to tolerances being too loose until warmup/piston expansion. If either of these are the case, only time will tell how much worse it will get.
If the smoke smells sweet, it's a head gasket problem.
Hopefully it is just some idiosyncratic valve / gasket mating issue that corrects itself after 50 miles or so. We'll know soon enough!
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All of you guys are trippin! A little smoke IS normal on ALL internal combustion engines while the rings seat in. Some you don't see it as much as others due to exhaust/emissions design.
Run the thing like a raped ape from mile 0 with varied RPM constantly and keeping it gear and letting the engine brake do it's job in between speed bursts. This will get the rings seats the fastest possible way and deliver the most HP in the long run. This is pretty much normal for all high performance engine nowadays. See the videos of how the Corvette factory runs ALL cars full blast on a dyno before leaving final inspection at the factory?
Everyone's break in methods differ slightly and are mostly dictated by other components which need proper break-in separate from the piston rings so just follow the manual as close as you feel reasonable for whatever methodology you subscribe to
Agree with you on everything but the ape.
...... some on here would prefer a raped fat dog
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I've purchased several new ducats over the last couple of years and none of them have smoked on start-up.
You guys who think this is normal are just wrong
You guys who think this is normal are just wrong
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Put your Pope hat on when it starts....you'll feel better.
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I agree with you. Modern machining techniques and tight tolerances shouldn't require a break in to keep them from smoking.
I'm not in a panic on the smoking issue.
I think it's clear that the press launch bikes would have had a thorough check up before the launch to ensure there isn't any bad press. This isn't a crime, this is to be expected.
Like most things, not knowing is the hardest. As soon as we know for sure, we will all feel better.
I can't remember the last time I purchased a 4 stroke device that smoked on startup. It's been a while.
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All of you guys are trippin! A little smoke IS normal on ALL internal combustion engines while the rings seat in. Some you don't see it as much as others due to exhaust/emissions design.
Run the thing like a raped ape from mile 0 with varied RPM constantly and keeping it gear and letting the engine brake do it's job in between speed bursts. This will get the rings seats the fastest possible way and deliver the most HP in the long run. This is pretty much normal for all high performance engine nowadays. See the videos of how the Corvette factory runs ALL cars full blast on a dyno before leaving final inspection at the factory?
Everyone's break in methods differ slightly and are mostly dictated by other components which need proper break-in separate from the piston rings so just follow the manual as close as you feel reasonable for whatever methodology you subscribe to
Wise words...
...and none of them was a super quadro...
you know this whole thing about smoke is a chicken little deal... Ducati have spent 4 years developing this bike and have hyped it like no other there whole reputation is on the line do you think theyre going to come out with a motor like a villiers.. I was waiting for somebody to post that the journo deal was a conspiracy by Ducati and they used special bikes... look at the pictures of the 2012 lineup and you'll probably start to get it.
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