Soon to be new owner... advice needed

I live out in middle of nowhere TX and plan to make the 3hr drive to San Antonio to get a Pani this Saturday. Looking at 2 PaniS. Both new 2012, no ABS and same deal... $23k out the door and DNA makes first $2k in payments. Good deal, right?

So I also like the Tri, but unwilling to pay $4k for ABS, paint and some track data logger I'll never use. But, it seems used 2012 Tri's with less than 1k miles are a dime a dozen right now on FleaBay and can barely make $20k. Is this accurate? There is a Tri just up for sale in San Antonio with stands and Termi with about 600mi. He seems to think it's worth $23,5. Should I offer on it or is he too far away from what they are really going for?

Get the R

A tri is nice but it just depends what it means to you. I agree the paint isn't worth it as in time bike paint gets ruined and one drop or scratch messes that up anyways. Are the termi's worth it for you? If not get the S. I'd say the tri is worth 2k more than a comparable S in the used market. If you don't want termis then don't buy a tri.

gatti man said:

A tri is nice but it just depends what it means to you. I agree the paint isn't worth it as in time bike paint gets ruined and one drop or scratch messes that up anyways. Are the termi's worth it for you? If not get the S. I'd say the tri is worth 2k more than a comparable S in the used market. If you don't want termis then don't buy a tri.

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I guess the logic here is a used Tri with some goodies and almost no miles would be worth what a new S goes for with full warranty and I'm the only owner... Similar bike, cool paint, some exclusivity at Starbucks

Bassalt911tt said:

I live out in middle of nowhere TX and plan to make the 3hr drive to San Antonio to get a Pani this Saturday. Looking at 2 PaniS. Both new 2012, no ABS and same deal... $23k out the door and DNA makes first $2k in payments. Good deal, right?

So I also like the Tri, but unwilling to pay $4k for ABS, paint and some track data logger I'll never use. But, it seems used 2012 Tri's with less than 1k miles are a dime a dozen right now on FleaBay and can barely make $20k. Is this accurate? There is a Tri just up for sale in San Antonio with stands and Termi with about 600mi. He seems to think it's worth $23,5. Should I offer on it or is he too far away from what they are really going for?

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Have you considered a Base model?

Bassalt911tt said:

I live out in middle of nowhere TX and plan to make the 3hr drive to San Antonio to get a Pani this Saturday. Looking at 2 PaniS. Both new 2012, no ABS and same deal... $23k out the door and DNA makes first $2k in payments. Good deal, right?

So I also like the Tri, but unwilling to pay $4k for ABS, paint and some track data logger I'll never use. But, it seems used 2012 Tri's with less than 1k miles are a dime a dozen right now on FleaBay and can barely make $20k. Is this accurate? There is a Tri just up for sale in San Antonio with stands and Termi with about 600mi. He seems to think it's worth $23,5. Should I offer on it or is he too far away from what they are really going for?

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Get the Tri. The termis alone are worthe $2k, and eventually you are going to get them anyway

Get the used Tri, you can still get extended Warranty from the Dealer. ABS, Termi... worth it.

oalvarez said:

Have you considered a Base model?

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I will never ride any of these bikes near their potential, so this makes sense. That said I like the look of the S and stories of all these failed forks on the base makes me worried. Honestly, living 3hrs from dealer and all the issues I've seen people having on here makes me worried. It really is coming down to sex appeal on the bike.. right? Otherwise we would all be riding something less expensive and equally capable.

In the end, I'm a cheapskate at heart. Grew up with nothing...trailerpark poor. Wife is a doc, I'm a successful surgeon and really shouldn't even be worrying about this, but I do. The last new car I bought was a Jetta in 2008 on a steal. Last new bike 1997. Everything else used. Yes, cheap

I think the Termignonis make it worth it if you like the paint job. Whatever bike you get, I would get one with ABS. If it saves you just one accident it has more than paid for itself. Considering the amount of tread on these tires it will be worth it if you get caught in the rain, IMO.

Archon said:

I think the Termignonis make it worth it if you like the paint job. Whatever bike you get, I would get one with ABS. If it saves you just one accident it has more than paid for itself. Considering the amount of tread on these tires it will be worth it if you get caught in the rain, IMO.

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So, what is a used tri really going for?

Thanks for all the helpful comments. Will get what I can from this thread before the trolls arrive

Bassalt911tt said:

I will never ride any of these bikes near their potential, so this makes sense. That said I like the look of the S and stories of all these failed forks on the base makes me worried. Honestly, living 3hrs from dealer and all the issues I've seen people having on here makes me worried. It really is coming down to sex appeal on the bike.. right? Otherwise we would all be riding something less expensive and equally capable.

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I got the S because I loved the rims, lol. The adjustable suspension was a nice to have option. I have race and sport modes setup almost the same with the only major difference being ABS mode and suspension settings. When I get on some horrible country road, I switch to sport mode with the suspension much softer.

Oh, if you aren't planning on tracking the bike, you might consider asking the shop to put the rear suspension in progressive mode vs flat mode (default for S, Tri, and R).

I do agree with the above posts regarding the Termis, if you ride the bike a lot you will want them.

fireman1251 said:

Get the R

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If he doesn't need the .... the Tri offers why would he need an R?
Amazing how NO ONE can ever just help the guy out with the original point of his thread.


Now... If you can pick up a 12 tri with until 4,000 miles with some goodies for $22K I'd take it and run. THatd be a deal. I believe the tri isn't coming back next year.

ABS could save your life, especially on a bike that makes such prodigious power. Worth a few grand? I think so.

ABS for sure. We're a year or 2 away from every bike coming with ABS standard.

I love the added security of knowing I'm going to stop when some ....... monkey swerves in front of me.

OK, didn't know the ABS was such a big deal.... will take under consideration. Thank you

Bassalt911tt said:

OK, didn't know the ABS was such a big deal.... will take under consideration. Thank you

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With all the competition out there, I wouldn't spend this kind of money on a bike that didn't have it.

For me my top priorities were:

Ohlins suspension
Brembo brakes
ABS
LED headlights

The fact that the S has electronically adjustable suspension makes it like owning 3 bikes. My old sportbikes had their suspension setup for the track. So riding it around town was ....... brutal. Now my Pani goes back into sport mode to soften it up around town, and race mode when the bike is being leaned over properly.

Bassalt911tt said:

OK, didn't know the ABS was such a big deal.... will take under consideration. Thank you

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Yes...ABS is the biggest deal to consider....If you can find a reasonably priced Base model WITH ABS...go for that... same thing with an "S"....always look for a Panigale that has ABS.

This electronic Aid may save your life during emergency panic situations...it's a no brainer paying a bit extra for the ABS Model....whether used or Brand new.

Bassalt911tt said:

Honestly, living 3hrs from dealer and all the issues I've seen people having on here makes me worried. It really is coming down to sex appeal on the bike.. right?

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Well, I'll be the honest one and say if you live that far from the dealer, maybe you should look at another bike. I live less than an hour away from 3 different Ducati dealers, and that was a major consideration to get my first Ducati. I'd had Aprilias (ultra-reliable in my experience) and MV Agustas (less so than Aprilia but parts are a ...... to get), and with the first year, brand new, ground-up model from Ducati I was skeptical. Let's just say I'm happy to not have bought a new 1199 last spring. I was able to get 6 or so recalls/TSBs to get rectified before picking up my 2012 new a few months ago, and yet still new ones are popping up like TSB 881 for the dash wiring. But this isn't your only toy so maybe it's not so bad for you if it ends up down waiting to go to the dealer for a TSB or warranty work.

On another note, congrats on your success, I love a Cinderalla story come true. Similar story for my parents, grew up in ghettos in a third world country, families sacrificed everything to send them to medical school. Emigrated to the USA for residency and became a successful surgeon and neonatologist team, and gave almost everything back to the families and communities they came from once they "made it." Late 70's now and they still do mission trips to give medical care to those who have absolutely nothing.

mig1199 said:

Yes...ABS is the biggest deal to consider....If you can find a reasonably priced Base model WITH ABS...go for that... same thing with an "S"....always look for a Panigale that has ABS.

This electronic Aid may save your life during emergency panic situations...it's a no brainer paying a bit extra for the ABS Model....whether used or Brand new.

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Everybody says the same thing about ABS. I'll be the "old school" guy to say I've been riding for 23 years, thousands of track and street miles and never ONCE have I needed ABS. I know I could be lucky in that, but I'll still say that its not the be-all end-all safety net that people describe it to be.

Frosty saying that he "knows" he can stop if some monkey swerves in front him is not entirely correct. ABS can actually lengthen stopping distances in extreme cases but it could keep the bike from locking up and allow you to steer out of trouble.

Learning how to get the most of out of your machine, knowing its and your limits, combined with unrelenting situational awareness are the best ways to maximize safety. Riding/track schools, and going to the track often to reacquaint yourself with what you and machine are capable of will do wonders when the inevitable "oh $H%+" moment happens. In my case, years of endurance racing on worn tires in the rain on a bike setup to handle different riders with 100 lbs differential, had sharpened my "feeling" and senses to a fine point. So much so that when I ran over diesel fuel at the apex of a mountain switchback, causing the steering to go completely numb as the front tire folded, I reflexively planted all my weight on my knee puck, very slightly increased the throttle to unweight the front, and looked as far into the turn as possible while intentionally not focusing on the guard rail I was understeering towards at 70 mph. Through years of honing the proper technique, not to mention the Grace of God, the front tire regained traction, and the steering came back alive as I immediately stood the bike up while leaning even further off the bike to keep the arc and avoid the guardrail by a yard.

Bottom line is, practice the critical skills before the moment of truth, because all these electronic aids could fail at any moment, for any reason, especially with a Ducati

mig1199 said:

Yes...ABS is the biggest deal to consider....If you can find a reasonably priced Base model WITH ABS...go for that... same thing with an "S"....always look for a Panigale that has ABS.

This electronic Aid may save your life during emergency panic situations...it's a no brainer paying a bit extra for the ABS Model....whether used or Brand new.

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+1...ABS saved me more than once already.