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I agree on the ABS. I bought a "base ABS" leftover a few months ago. I like the security of ABS and I figured that in a few years when I go to sell it that most people will be looking for ABS given that starting this year all Panigales are ABS.
 
Everybody says the same thing about ABS. I'll be the "old school" guy to say I've been riding for 23 years, thousands of track and street miles and never ONCE have I needed ABS. I know I could be lucky in that, but I'll still say that its not the be-all end-all safety net that people describe it to be.

Frosty saying that he "knows" he can stop if some monkey swerves in front him is not entirely correct. ABS can actually lengthen stopping distances in extreme cases but it could keep the bike from locking up and allow you to steer out of trouble.

Learning how to get the most of out of your machine, knowing its and your limits, combined with unrelenting situational awareness are the best ways to maximize safety. Riding/track schools, and going to the track often to reacquaint yourself with what you and machine are capable of will do wonders when the inevitable "oh $H%+" moment happens. In my case, years of endurance racing on worn tires in the rain on a bike setup to handle different riders with 100 lbs differential, had sharpened my "feeling" and senses to a fine point. So much so that when I ran over diesel fuel at the apex of a mountain switchback, causing the steering to go completely numb as the front tire folded, I reflexively planted all my weight on my knee puck, very slightly increased the throttle to unweight the front, and looked as far into the turn as possible while intentionally not focusing on the guard rail I was understeering towards at 70 mph. Through years of honing the proper technique, not to mention the Grace of God, the front tire regained traction, and the steering came back alive as I immediately stood the bike up while leaning even further off the bike to keep the arc and avoid the guardrail by a yard.

Bottom line is, practice the critical skills before the moment of truth, because all these electronic aids could fail at any moment, for any reason, especially with a Ducati :D

Jeff, I have been riding longer than you have, and I have a few trophies from my road racing days. I have never "needed" ABS either. I've had several insurance policies over my life that I have never collected anything on either. But all it takes is one time - and it will be a situation that your riding skill has nothing to do with when someone or some thing puts you in harms.

I don't disagree that it is not a substitute for rider skill. But we are engaged in a sport where if (when) something does go wrong the consequences can be very painful or worse. Why would you not want all the tools you can get to help minimize the risk? You don't go out on the track in a tee shirt and flip-flops, do you?
 
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But all it takes is one time - and it will be a situation that your riding skill has nothing to do with when someone or some thing puts you in harms.

I don't disagree that it is not a substitute for rider skill. But we are engaged in a sport where if (when) something does go wrong the consequences can be very painful or worse. Why would you not want all the tools you can get to help minimize the risk?

I don't disagree with your above points. I was more responding to how I observe many people appear to take it for granted that ABS will help you stop shorter (not necessarily true) and will generally prevent catastrophe.

I liken it to learning math. When I was in school, you had to learn and demonstrate understanding of the mechanics of calculations. Now kids use graphing calculators and tablets to bypass a lot of the background. If you don't have these "crutches" around, you're lost, whereas the one who understands the fundamentals can still get the answer in their own head.

I agree 100% that ABS is a no-brainer for re-sale value. And as you say, all it takes is the one Murphy's Law emergency situation and you will want all available tools available to save your bacon.
 
I don't disagree with your above points. I was more responding to how I observe many people appear to take it for granted that ABS will help you stop shorter (not necessarily true) and will generally prevent catastrophe.

I liken it to learning math. When I was in school, you had to learn and demonstrate understanding of the mechanics of calculations. Now kids use graphing calculators and tablets to bypass a lot of the background. If you don't have these "crutches" around, you're lost, whereas the one who understands the fundamentals can still get the answer in their own head.

I agree 100% that ABS is a no-brainer for re-sale value. And as you say, all it takes is the one Murphy's Law emergency situation and you will want all available tools available to save your bacon.

Thanks for the nice reply :)
 
Go with the tricolore. Beautiful bike.

as for abs, it's a must, as most riders will overbrake the front and either slip or flip in an emergency. ask my broken collarbone.
 
Jeff, I have been riding longer than you have, and I have a few trophies from my road racing days. I have never "needed" ABS either. I've had several insurance policies over my life that I have never collected anything on either. But all it takes is one time - and it will be a situation that your riding skill has nothing to do with when someone or some thing puts you in harms.

I don't disagree that it is not a substitute for rider skill. But we are engaged in a sport where if (when) something does go wrong the consequences can be very painful or worse. Why would you not want all the tools you can get to help minimize the risk? You don't go out on the track in a tee shirt and flip-flops, do you?

Lets just throw every electrical nanny on our bikes we can. Why stop at ABS? Lets have wearable airbags and instant collision foam canisters. What about a frame on top of the bike to keep us safe. Yeah! I mean it only takes one time right? Don't learn to use brakes and ride correctly let the nannies coddle you.
 
Lmao. If abs is needed to save your life you have no business on a panigale in the first place.

Lets just throw every electrical nanny on our bikes we can. Why stop at ABS? Lets have wearable airbags and instant collision foam canisters. What about a frame on top of the bike to keep us safe. Yeah! I mean it only takes one time right? Don't learn to use brakes and ride correctly let the nannies coddle you.

So you think that when somebody is sitting at a stop sign in the rain, about to pull out, the fact that we are riding a Panigale and not some piece of .... turd bike she'll decide to wait for us to go by instead of pulling out in front of us?
 
Lmao. If abs is needed to save your life you have no business on a panigale in the first place.

Such a miss guided statement. There are many people that are very competent riders that could be placed in situations where ABS could help prevent a spill. I'm 28, very fast motocross racer, and ABS is a must have for me on a street bike. I am very familiar with riding a bike on the edge of out of control (thats all MX is) but at the same time I'm not going to pretend I practice live emergency situations on the bike. I dont care how good someone thinks they are, you cant out brake ABS is a real life emergency situation, there is no way. You not only have to hit the brakes as hard as you can as fast as you can but also scan for any escape (you mind will be doing this natually) and maintain awareness of what the front tire is doing on the road, now lets add some water. Even in testing with expert riders/racers they admit that in real world situations they would rather have ABS.
 
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Such a miss guided statement. There are many people that are very competent riders that could be placed in situations where ABS could help prevent a spill. I'm 28, very fast motocross racer, and ABS is a must have for me on a street bike. I am very familiar with riding a bike on the edge of out of control (thats all MX is) but at the same time I'm not going to pretend I practice live emergency situations on the bike. I dont care how good someone thinks they are, you cant out brake ABS is a real life emergency situation, there is no way. You not only have to hit the brakes as hard as you can as fast as you can but also scan for any escape (you mind will be doing this natually) and maintain awareness of what the front tire is doing on the road, now lets add some water. Even in testing with expert riders/racers they admit that in real world situations they would rather have ABS.

You said it with much more well thought out wording than I did. thanks!
 
Thanks for the discussion on this. I've never had abs on a bike before. Sounds like a good thing to have after all.
 
I can see where abs would be useful safety net in the rain or low transaction and unpredictable conditions.

I have spoken to racers that hate ABS as it can be scary at times when braking at the limit and the bike decides to release the brakes.

We are not all racers and on public roads traction can be unpredictable ABS , experience and proper decision making while riding can all mitigate this.

Personally I chose not to get abs on mine as in all my years of riding on track or public roads have never needed it.

To each his own if it makes you feel safe then get it but you might want to reflect on whether you're depending on your brakes too much over your other arsenal of skills(vision, steering, throttle, reading traffic, road etc).
 
I too grew up without abs and never even had it on a car until 2003. My pet peave is on bumpy pavement when you have traction, but TC thinks you don't. Hopefully bike aren't as intrusive as cars/trucks
 
There's 3 settings for the ABS and you can also turn it off completely.

Come on guys, do you really think all the top sport bikes are coming with ABS these days for fun?
 
Lmao. If abs is needed to save your life you have no business on a panigale in the first place.

LOL at you having no idea who you are talking to. If anything, AntiHero has more business riding a Panigale than anyone else on this forum, dipshit.
 
The more I think about it, maybe I will just get the fuking R. Sometimes after some reflection, I realize how cheap I'm being. There's also some poser guilt knowing I have no business on a bike like that...
 

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