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Oulton Park track days are restricted to 102db, so basically stock systems only. If the tester is feeling lenient, you might get away with the Termi system with DB killers installed.. but only just.
 
MCN report that slip on termi adds circa 9 rwhp and smooths out the throttle response !
they say expensive but worth it !
 
FrostyFire said:
Speak English bud, after all you're from the UK. Read the post that said one Panigale with a full system was turned away, whilst one stock Panigale was not.
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Sorry should have made it idiot proof:)

The bike with a standard system on was not allowed on the track at Oulton Park

Clear enough for you now:D
 
out of interest (and also also lack of mechanical knowledge!) i understand that if you get the termi,s fitted then it gets remapped, i would expect this to be remapped with the baffles still fitted, so if i then took the baffles out would it require another remap?
 
ukrr said:
MCN report that slip on termi adds circa 9 rwhp and smooths out the throttle response !
they say expensive but worth it !
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I'd take the throttle response and the rwhp, but I don't need any more volume. Starting the bike at 7am on a Sunday morning is already embarising.
 
JONAH said:
out of interest (and also also lack of mechanical knowledge!) i understand that if you get the termi,s fitted then it gets remapped, i would expect this to be remapped with the baffles still fitted, so if i then took the baffles out would it require another remap?
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No, not at all. It is a standard map for all bikes so is not a "perfect" tune for any bike but rather a median on the standard deviation bell cure from a sampling of bikes. Once we get over the idea of perfection and understand that close enough is good enough, its easy to understand that the standard map will still be fine with the DB Killers in or out. The Db killers only add a little more back pressure than the open cans, more notable at mid to higher RPMs. The additional back pressure will slightly "richen" the fuel mixture, but not to the point that you would notice a real difference. (unless your bike was already on the richer edges of the SD)

If you didn't know:

Addition of Back Pressure without remapping will increase the fuel to air mixture ratio (richen). In moderation, this can add more torque and response down but less top end power. The engine will also run slightly "cooler" due to unburnt fuel. Going too rich will bog down the engine and make it feel sluggish.

Subtraction of back pressure without remapping will decrease the fuel to air mixture ratio (Lean out). Running lean will give you more top end power and higher engine running temperature. In tuning term, lean is mean, but you don't want to go too lean least bad things will happen :) But that will never be the case for the standard tuning our race exhaust mapping.. they'll always be on the safe side. (usually richer than the Stock map)

Most manufactures tune a little lean to help pass emissions - Lean = cleaner burn and less work for the catalytic converter.

Picture this if you will - you have a Stock system which is trying to meet noise regulations so is creating back pressure which will in turn richen the fuel mixture. Now Ducati has to back off the fuel to lean out the mixture to to meet EU3 emission standards. - Hence why with the race system and remap it feels like you've "opened up" the engine - quite literally.
 
Ducati are pretty much certain that most people will put Termi's on their Superbikes.
I guess the noise is a problem for some......these are my closest neighbours, so no problems there:)
 

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No, not at all. It is a standard map for all bikes so is not a "perfect" tune for any bike but rather a median on the standard deviation bell cure from a sampling of bikes. Once we get over the idea of perfection and understand that close enough is good enough, its easy to understand that the standard map will still be fine with the DB Killers in or out. The Db killers only add a little more back pressure than the open cans, more notable at mid to higher RPMs. The additional back pressure will slightly "richen" the fuel mixture, but not to the point that you would notice a real difference. (unless your bike was already on the richer edges of the SD)

If you didn't know:

Addition of Back Pressure without remapping will increase the fuel to air mixture ratio (richen). In moderation, this can add more torque and response down but less top end power. The engine will also run slightly "cooler" due to unburnt fuel. Going too rich will bog down the engine and make it feel sluggish.

Nice and detailed explaination, cheers for the info.
Subtraction of back pressure without remapping will decrease the fuel to air mixture ratio (Lean out). Running lean will give you more top end power and higher engine running temperature. In tuning term, lean is mean, but you don't want to go too lean least bad things will happen :) But that will never be the case for the standard tuning our race exhaust mapping.. they'll always be on the safe side. (usually richer than the Stock map)

Most manufactures tune a little lean to help pass emissions - Lean = cleaner burn and less work for the catalytic converter.

Picture this if you will - you have a Stock system which is trying to meet noise regulations so is creating back pressure which will in turn richen the fuel mixture. Now Ducati has to back off the fuel to lean out the mixture to to meet EU3 emission standards. - Hence why with the race system and remap it feels like you've "opened up" the engine - quite literally.
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Nice and detailed explanation , cheers for the info.
 
I would not like living in a place that had issues with loud exhaust pipes. All of my bikes are loud..hell, my custom chopper only has 24 inches of exhaust that dump down right near the motor....talk about loud on a Sunday morning :)

However, I am courteous to my neighbors and they all are fine with me and my toys.
 

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