I have a 2023 Panigale v4r and I've completed around 3800km on track till now. No issues with the dry clutch, but I am wondering how often does the dry clutch need to be changed. I do keep checking the size of the plates, so I believe 5-6k km is decent. But what about the basket in which it sits. Do you change it alongside the dry clutch or separately? And how often. And any reviews on the Corsa oil which makes 5hp more as per ducati? Or just a marketing gimmick?
STM Clutch plates and Basket Replacement Interval for 2023 Panigale v4r
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the advantage of a dry clutch is that you can easily, so more frequently measure the wear on the plates.
It is also so much easier to strip and rebuild that you can keep on top of the measurement and keep it at a constant for optimum performance by adding a slightly thicker plate.
This means you get a longer life out of all the plates rather than a change and cost of the complete set, simples!
It is also so much easier to strip and rebuild that you can keep on top of the measurement and keep it at a constant for optimum performance by adding a slightly thicker plate.
This means you get a longer life out of all the plates rather than a change and cost of the complete set, simples!
Sorry, I didn't get your point. I understand why dry clutch is used and I ride the track aggressively, and very few to none street rides. But I am just curious on how frequently does the plates go crap. The reason being my dealer doesn't usually keep them in stock. Because of this, I have to order the plates at least a month before my plates are going kaput. Also, is the ducati corse oil really that good? Can it be used in a weather ranging between 25-35 degrees as I've read that the oil is very thin.
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and there lies the problem!
So to try to explain, your clutch wears, at the moment you want to know at what point is it fubar and you replace with all the cost and inconvenience or ordering a complete set.
Im saying you can and should monitor it as it wears. This can be measured. The clutch pack is made up of several 1.5mm steel plates and several friction plates.
So if you know what the measurement/ height of the stack of clutch plates is as new, when fitted to the bike, as it wears you can see that measurement change. When the change is more than .5mm, you can swap a 1.5mm plate for a 2.0mm plate and you are then back to the std measurement.
This means you don't just unconsciously burn out the friction plates, you see how quickly it wears, you keep it running at its optimum spec, and you get to use the costly clutch for longer before having to buy a complete set, for the sake of a few 2mm plates and a clutch holding tool.
This should answer your question that if you monitor it correctly, maintain it correctly, it will last a lot longer than just being oblivious to where its at.
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You mean the tangs on the friction plates rattling against the basket. So this is amplified when there is excess play in the stack height, and harsh changing of gear both up and down the gearbox can increase this wear a dam site more than just idling or neutral. See above.
Ultimately Ducati have been using dry clutches for years. Although the technology, materials and type of operation has improved it is a wear item. It is manageable and it is possible to re dress the edge of the basket that takes the pounding. They are a service item but need managing.
Ultimately Ducati have been using dry clutches for years. Although the technology, materials and type of operation has improved it is a wear item. It is manageable and it is possible to re dress the edge of the basket that takes the pounding. They are a service item but need managing.
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who cares. Monitor it give it and the pack the attention they deserve suck it and see.
The non slipper dry clutches have a long life if you pay attention to them as Andy suggests. Slippers depend on how they're set up. I've put over 20K miles on a belt drive non-slipper clutch pack. Just ensure that the stack height is maintained.
I have a 2023 Panigale v4r, so yes, its a slipper clutch and I ride them hard. Less on crowded streets, and much more on open roads. Is there any documentation on the torque specs of removing and installing the clutch plates? And the minimum size of each plate? I would like to do it on my own as the dealer is far away from my place.
Go in take it apart and look at it. Pretty simple. The friction plates will have some spec for minimum thickness. But you can run these with little friction material left if the stack height is right. The height of the stack is defining the amount of preload on the clutch. As the stack wears the preload goes down and they slip. If you monitor the stack height they never really slip under load and the friction plates last longer.
The entire proceedure, tools and specs is in the v4r service manual; see my other thread
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How was your basket when you made the swap?
I am going to pull my plates and measure this weekend, ordered a spare 48T set and some 2mm's. I am curious how many miles I'm going to get out of the basket as well. This seems less straightforward since you cant really measure the basket, only judge by how the plates are seated.
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My bike when the basket is shot will have drag. Ex when in first gear and clutch lever pulled in the clutch will have a light pull/drive since the plate won't separate enough because the basket is worn out. Throw on a new basket and all set. It is a very lightweight aluminum part with a lot of horsepower put to it. For me I have seen 2 clutch packs per basket but I think this will change.
I have a the 2019 V4R and it came with the 30 weight spring which was way to low. Changed it to 50 weight secondary spring and I have seen better results, I believe the sp comes with the 50 weight secondary spring make sure to check that I am curious. Again this is just my experience others may get a lot more out of these parts or a lot less.
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I did the same.
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Can you drop a link where you bought your springs
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Here ya go, just select the weight you want.
STM Secondary 85mm Springs for STM Slipper Clutches
STM Secondary 85mm Springs for STM Slipper Clutches
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