Trade - 1199 S Tricolore for 1199R

Guys:

Serious question & please keep the responses on topic, but I am on the fence on this. I have an 1199S Tricolore. Love it.

For mods, I have full exhaust coated (it does make a big difference) and DP rearsets. Love the bike and been riding a lot lately.

I have a very good relationship with my Ducati dealer and he gave me a chance to trade my tricolore for an R. He just got it in & is holding it for me till Tuesday.

So those guys that have an R, is it really, that much better than an S?

Yes, you get the higher rev limit & new exhaust, but I REALLY like the way my tricolore stands out. The R looks plain compared to it.

I wouldn't be taking a big hit and I am thinking the R will hold it's value a little better, but is it worth trading.

I probably will only track the bike a few times a year and have other bikes for track days, so mostly street duty.

Could use some constructive feedback... Thoughts?

I personally think the Tricolore will hold its value better, since there has been rumors of it being discontinued. If it is, then I think it will hold a bit more value than it would otherwise.

Why don't you ask the dealer if you can take it for a ride to make your final decision?

Also, something to consider - They may announce an "RS" or the like with the Skyhook suspension. I don't know if you've seen the photos of the CF Panigale with, what looks to be, DDS type suspension. It may be worth waiting until November to see everyones new bikes.

EvoL said:

I personally think the Tricolore will hold its value better, since there has been rumors of it being discontinued. If it is, then I think it will hold a bit more value than it would otherwise.

Why don't you ask the dealer if you can take it for a ride to make your final decision?

Also, something to consider - They may announce an "RS" or the like with the Skyhook suspension. I don't know if you've seen the photos of the CF Panigale with, what looks to be, DDS type suspension. It may be worth waiting until November to see everyones new bikes.

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Good feedback.... I think I am going to search for that now.

do it "R"ight

Personally I'd also hang onto the Tri (not since I own one) but because if you are primarily staying on the street, with maybe a few track days fit in, you wont be as happy riding the R on the street. No, I dont own one but my close friend does and said it is no where as street friendly as the S or Tri with the lighter flywheel etc. Again I cant speak from experience but if you were going to track like a maniac then Id go for it on the R.

BTW- is he talking about a BRAND NEW R or one of the COTA bikes which are starting to hit the market? Evol and I love what we have in our Tri, and from the sound of what you said above I think you do too man.

Such an interesting dilemma!!

Depends how you consider the 1199 R-model in the big scheme of things and what attributes you value in a bike.

Personally, I don't feel the R's performance enhancements are that significant - 41T and lightened flywheel would practically get you there, while the Trics colour scheme is just so damn hot

All subjective though.

I would also consider waiting for EICMA in November to see if anything else occurs.

WARNING: The following is an opinion .

I wouldn't hesitate. If you track a lot, the R is a no brainer. I'm more for the performance and experience than resale value.

The Tri isn't even numbered anyway.

You did mention street duty, but even the S is sublime on the track.

Hard to say without knowing the numbers involved....

The bike only has 25 miles on it... not sure if it is a COTA bike.

I would have to pony up around $5k most of which is tax and title.

Gunny - I think you are right. I love my bike as is, & not sure if it's worth the change for what I would be getting....

I track, but I won't track this thing much. Not worth putting it down for a $30K bike. I'd rather use my older BMW, as if it goes down, I wouldn't care.

I leaning on passing & waiting to see if they launch a bike with the Skyhook technology, as if I could get the suspension set-up on this bike better, it would be perfect.

so the rs will be exaxtly the same as the r but have the suspension for another 5 grand lol. 35 grand for something that wont work correctly and that bmw has had for the hp4 going on 2 years and for 15k less 10k less if you get all the carbon.

Will the RS still come in third behind the ape and bmw? this is getting silly by ducati now.

Sorry about the rant. keep the tri unless your serious track rider. once you have pulled out every single 1000th of second from your tri and you need the extra weight saving from the r (no fan and titanium parts nothing a good dump wont cure by the rider) then the R is for you. If you are nowhere near the performance of the tri then i think you are just wasting money.

I had an "S" (not a Tri) and traded it in for the "R".

Since I'm just breaking it in I can't give a good review/comparison to the "S" yet.

However many of us are headed for the mountains in October so I'll get my chance.

BigBoost said:

The bike only has 25 miles on it... not sure if it is a COTA bike.

I would have to pony up around $5k most of which is tax and title.........

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I was going to advise you against the trade, but for just a $5K difference I'd be very tempted to jump to a brand new R (I think Rs will hold their value better then Tris, but who knows, also you'd be getting a brand new 2 year warranty)...would the dealer let you keep your DP rearsets?

Surgut said:

I was going to advise you against the trade, but for just a $5K difference I'd be very tempted to jump to a brand new R (I think Rs will hold their value better then Tris, but who knows, also you'd be getting a brand new 2 year warranty)...would the dealer let you keep your DP rearsets?

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That is my dilemma, as well and Yes I get to keep my rear-sets.

I think I am going to hold off, as I want to see what else they come out in November.

Used Tri + $3800 for a new R..... I wonder how many Tricolore owners would be all over this trade?
Would you mind revealing the dealership willing to do this?

I had my S for almost a year before I got my R and had both for about a month before selling the S to my riding buddy. So I had a chance to compare back to back several times and have to say that the R is more than the sum of its parts. It's not just an accessorized S.

The R speeds up much faster and more violently than the S, which I love! There were innumerable times when I wished the S had 1000 more rpm but I'm happy with +500 rpm of the R. It's incredible how fast she revs up. On that note, I got the R just for the motor... Nothing else. Well... maybe the paint scheme too but that's purely cosmetic. I had installed pretty much everything that the R came-with on my S even before the announcement of the R, so my rationale for the upgrade maybe even more trivial than most.

So... Can I say that the motor alone was worth the money (with the depreciation of the S, etc.)? Absolutely yes!

For those that are looking to buy an 1199 from scratch and you're a seasoned rider and plan to add accessories or do mods to make it lighter and faster, then getting the R is a no brainer.

If you're upgrading... I'm still going to be biased and tell you to do it. She's a beast on the road/track and a stunner in your garage.

As to the upgrade of the R in 2014? We'll cross that bridge when it's time...

I would trade in my Tri for an R anyday!

An R is an R! The R is the ultimate 1199 Panigale for the masses!

Now let me see how I can convince my wife to trade up
My Tri for an R?!!

I had a 2012 S that I did about 20 track days on. I now have a 2013 R that I have about 10 track days on now. The difference between the bikes was surprisingly noticeable - the gear difference, plus higher revs, plus lighter rotating assembly, plus lighter wheels, all seem to add up to transform the bike into something more. That being said I'm a LVL2 track day guy and will likely never get anywhere near the bikes true limits. For me it was a decision of the heart and made neither financial sense nor was I riding at the limits of the S and needed more bike.

No matter what I ask of the R it has more to give and outside of financial desperation I don't see myself ever parting with it. The bike has a dual personality and is very user friendly to hop on and start riding, but to truly master the bike takes expert levels of skill. The first time I road it (literally unloaded from the trailer) was at Circuit of the Americas in race mode, and when I opened her up on the back straight and clicked a few gears the emotion I experienced was true terror and it was accelerating so hard and I was holding on so tight I had a hard time rolling off the throttle - finally was able to shut it down and had accelerated to 160 faster than I ever had in my life. If you are blessed enough to be in the position to get one as was I, go for it. You will not be disappointed.

Guys that are saying how quick the R spins up, compared to the S/Tric - did you have the 41T conversion on your S/Tric?

@Godspeed, wheels are the same - no?

Xbox said:

@Godspeed, wheels are the same - no?

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Yes, unless someone changed them at the dealer....