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Jello said:
I had ghosts in my MV F4 that were very similar to this, and it drove me and the mechs CRAZY trying to figure out WTH was going on. In the end, they replaced the wiring harness and *poof* problem solved. While there was no apparent problem with it, the suspicious was that it was compromised such that there was an intermittent short somewhere within. The ghost was indeed exorcised with a brand new harness.
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CAN BUS trash caused by the harness... quite common, should I say. :mad:

For example, the known problem with the left commuter (blinkers and horn), it's source is the harness that causes errors on the CAN Bus. And the trash that is sent to the CAN Bus (bad data), misled the ECU and think that the switch is failed.

Hope I have explained it right.
 
AntiHero said:
Ha, never considered that my bike is a canary, but I think you are 100% correct. Or perhaps I'm the canary and the bike is the cage?
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Dunno Jules, depends on how you look at it. ;) Either way you need to break out and get on the road so we can all ride along trying not to be too jealous. Besides, we want you to be the 1st 1199 to 50,000 mi!
 
Thanks, Steve, I, too, hope to be the first one to crack 50k!

And great news--it appears they have a fix. Though I haven't heard directly from the dealer, I did receive a text just a moment ago that they found the problem (I'm hoping that my use of a definite article is correct here). Parts are on order....should know more later today.

Stay tuned my friends!
 
AntiHero said:
Thanks, Steve, I, too, hope to be the first one to crack 50k!

And great news--it appears they have a fix. Though I haven't heard directly from the dealer, I did receive a text just a moment ago that they found the problem (I'm hoping that my use of a definite article is correct here). Parts are on order....should know more later today.

Stay tuned my friends!
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What a tease!

:eek::eek::eek:
 
Ok, so I just got off the phone with Ducati's HQ in Cupertino. First off, they are doing everything they can. That's not me quoting what they said, that's my summary after our call(s). (The Pope and the four horsemen of the apocalypse were mentioned as being involved....)

In any case, guy who spent all day with my bike on Saturday is a Ducati Jedi from HQ. The diagnosis: Rings and Pistons.

I've heard of bad rings causing high idle on a two stroke, but only a rough idle on a four stroke engine. However, it's possible that the electronics compensate for idle anarchy. But I'm not the guru so I'm not going to speculate.

AND - Before everyone goes nuts thinking the 1199 only has 30,000 miles before a rebuild is necessary, keep in mind that a prior dealer who I won't name did not seal the airbox properly when they put the tank back on during a service. Unfiltered air into the engine does things like pits valves and destroy rings. As long as your airbox seals are tight, I highly doubt any of you have to worry. (Jeez, I hope my cylinders aren't scored, too.)

Parts should arrive by the end of the week or beginning of next. Thanks everyone who reached out to me with suggestions and recommendations and offers both on and offline.
 
AntiHero said:
Ok, so I just got off the phone with Ducati's HQ in Cupertino. First off, they are doing everything they can. That's not me quoting what they said, that's my summary after our call(s). (The Pope and the four horsemen of the apocalypse were mentioned as being involved....)

In any case, guy who spent all day with my bike on Saturday is a Ducati Jedi from HQ. The diagnosis: Rings and Pistons.

I've heard of bad rings causing high idle on a two stroke, but only a rough idle on a four stroke engine. However, it's possible that the electronics compensate for idle anarchy. But I'm not the guru so I'm not going to speculate.

AND - Before everyone goes nuts thinking the 1199 only has 30,000 miles before a rebuild is necessary, keep in mind that a prior dealer who I won't name did not seal the airbox properly when they put the tank back on during a service. Unfiltered air into the engine does things like pits valves and destroy rings. As long as your airbox seals are tight, I highly doubt any of you have to worry. (Jeez, I hope my cylinders aren't scored, too.)

Parts should arrive by the end of the week or beginning of next. Thanks everyone who reached out to me with suggestions and recommendations and offers both on and offline.
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I wonder who the Ducati Jedi was...Maybe someone from the Corse team? Hope the fix goes well I'm pulling for yah!
 
OK, I lost with my network cable bet then :)
But, didn't the Not To Be Mentioned dealer change the heads because of the very same symptom?
 
AntiHero said:
Ok, so I just got off the phone with Ducati's HQ in Cupertino. First off, they are doing everything they can. That's not me quoting what they said, that's my summary after our call(s). (The Pope and the four horsemen of the apocalypse were mentioned as being involved....)

In any case, guy who spent all day with my bike on Saturday is a Ducati Jedi from HQ. The diagnosis: Rings and Pistons.

I've heard of bad rings causing high idle on a two stroke, but only a rough idle on a four stroke engine. However, it's possible that the electronics compensate for idle anarchy. But I'm not the guru so I'm not going to speculate.

AND - Before everyone goes nuts thinking the 1199 only has 30,000 miles before a rebuild is necessary, keep in mind that a prior dealer who I won't name did not seal the airbox properly when they put the tank back on during a service. Unfiltered air into the engine does things like pits valves and destroy rings. As long as your airbox seals are tight, I highly doubt any of you have to worry. (Jeez, I hope my cylinders aren't scored, too.)

Parts should arrive by the end of the week or beginning of next. Thanks everyone who reached out to me with suggestions and recommendations and offers both on and offline.
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They must have done a leak-down test.
Probably even looked in the cylinders with a Borescope.

If your rings are damaged, they will be doing the cylinder sleeves as well.
It's the only way to put it all right;)
It's a simple thing to do since the heads are off, and you'll be in the best possible place.

Enjoy the trip:)
 
HotIce said:
OK, I lost with my network cable bet then :)
But, didn't the Not To Be Mentioned dealer change the heads because of the very same symptom?
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Ducati Newport Beach changed out the heads--they were not the ones responsible for the airbox seal-issue. An engine tuner buddy of mine at the time the heads were replaced actually said, 'if it pitted the valves, the rings are probably shot, too'. Looks like he was right.

As for the engineer tasked with the fix--I know he's worked on factory WSBK bikes before, so who knows, maybe I'll even pick up another 40 horsepower when it's all said and done. :)
 
Well Dennis, hopefully this is the fix you've been waiting for. I'm looking forward to hearing some good news from you sometime later next week. Then you can put this behind you and focus on the important stuff. Your trip around the world! Fingers crossed I hope everything works out.
 
Glad they found the problem. Looking forward to your round the world trip. Ask Ducati if the could put in some high compression pistons in with some light weight Ti con rods for your troubles and maybe throw in some racing cams. That way could get through your round the world trip really really fast:D
 
AntiHero said:
Ducati Newport Beach changed out the heads--they were not the ones responsible for the airbox seal-issue. An engine tuner buddy of mine at the time the heads were replaced actually said, 'if it pitted the valves, the rings are probably shot, too'. Looks like he was right.
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I might be lost in this drama, so help me in the chronology of the events :)

1) You had unstable idle issues.
2) They changed the heads and sleeves in trying to fix. bike ran fine for 1000 miles.
3) Somehow the airbox seal did not end up being sealed correctly.
4) You ended up with the same idle issues again because of dirty air fscking up the rings.

Is that close to the facts?


As for the engineer tasked with the fix--I know he's worked on factory WSBK bikes before, so who knows, maybe I'll even pick up another 40 horsepower when it's all said and done. :)
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:D
 
HotIce said:
I might be lost in this drama, so help me in the chronology of the events :)

1) You had unstable idle issues.
2) They changed the heads and sleeves in trying to fix. bike ran fine for 1000 miles.
3) Somehow the airbox seal did not end up being sealed correctly.
4) You ended up with the same idle issues again because of dirty air fscking up the rings.

Is that close to the facts?


:D
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In this order:
Coughing/popping exhaust at idle
Then high idle
I removed the Charcoal Canister. No dice.
Dealer replaced exhaust thinking CATs were clogged. At the time they also replaced the heat shield (I asked for just the side covers, not the new heat shield), but they put it all on, which involved removing the tank.
Drove another 4k miles.
Took it in several times, but they couldn't replicate the problem.
I replaced TPS. No dice.
I pulled the tank off to see if there were any vacuum leaks. Found the airbox hadn't been sealed, found one vacuum line hadn't been connected and discovered the fuel overflow lines hadn't been connected, either. Fixed it all, but again, no dice.
Let Ducati know about the seal. They did a leakdown test and replaced the heads and ECU. Bike was ok for 1k miles.
Took it in again. They couldn't replicate problem.
Drove it to the shop while it was doing it a week or so later. Ducati regional technical director happened to be onsite. (Yes!)
Thought they found the issue with a valve in the exhaust. Fixed, but no dice.
More big guns spend a couple days with it and now the verdict is: rings/pistons.
 
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AntiHero said:
In this order:
Coughing/popping exhaust at idle
Then high idle
I removed the Charcoal Canister. No dice.
Dealer replaced exhaust thinking CATs were clogged. At the time they also replaced the heat shield (I asked for just the side covers, not the new heat shield), but they put it all on, which involved removing the tank.
Drove another 4k miles.
Took it in several times, but they couldn't replicate the problem.
I replaced TPS. No dice.
I pulled the tank off to see if there were any vacuum leaks. Found the airbox hadn't been sealed, found one vacuum line hadn't been connected and discovered the fuel overflow lines hadn't been connected, either. Fixed it all, but again, no dice.
Let Ducati know about the seal. They did a leakdown test and replaced the heads and ECU. Bike was ok for 1k miles.
Took it in again. They couldn't replicate problem.
Drove it to the shop while it was doing it a week or so later. Ducati regional technical director happened to be onsite. (Yes!)
Thought they found the issue with a valve in the exhaust. Fixed, but no dice.
More big guns spend a couple days with it and now the verdict is: rings/pistons.
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Duh, thanks.
Somehow, in my head, "heads" meant the whole upper end (sleeves, pistons, head), instead of what "head" *really* means. Head :rolleyes:
This was what got me confused, thinking that pistons, sleeves and rings had been already replaced before.

This should teach you something though. Stay out of the gravel roads in your trips :D
 
Ya mean stay out of gravel and dirt roads when air is allowed to bypass the air fliter!

I saw way too many incredible things while cruising around on unpaved roads.

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I know there will be times on my upcoming trip that I'll regret not being on a more capable off-road bike, but I know I'd regret not being on the Panigale while on pavement. Maybe a multi - or a "TerraCorsa Monster" will be my weapons of choice for RTW trip #2. :D
 
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