V4R or V4 25’ Anniversario 916

And by the way, thanks everyone for participating in me kinda sorting through this and forming my opinion sort of out loud here, very kind of you

Steven31371 said:

I have a 2021 Streetfighter V4S that I’ve lightened up a bit and have Termi Catless race cans on it with upmap...and it’s not nearly as fast as the Anniversario they let me test ride lol

I was suprised at how much harder the Anniversario pulled with the full Akra it has on it.

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The Anniversario pulls no harder than any 2018/19 V4. I've ridden the later model Pani's and own a SF V4S and they both feel like 600s below 9,000 rpm compared to my 2019 Panigale V4S. Only a per cylinder custom tune will fix that. But, compared to a V4R, it's a different story, only because how fast that bike climbs through the revs.

Long story short, don't compare your SF or any post 2019 Panigale V4/S to the first year models. They are nothing alike in performance.

Steven31371 said:

believe me, I understand from all the Porsche track years that track time and learning is going to get me way faster lap times than which bike I get for the foreseeable future...what it really comes down to for me is the experience and sensations of riding it, not lap times at my age lol

I think this year I’m going to break the world record for the fastest Porsche convertible at the airstrip events I run...so this bike is about maximum acceleration fun, and maximum fun on the curves with no ego about using nannies to keep me a bit safer....so the clear choice would seem to be the Anniversario...BUT I know myself LOL, if I twist that gas grip and don’t get as much acceleration rush as I’m looking for (my car does an 8 second quarter and 1.9 second 0 to 6) then I’m going to be hungry for more haha

so maybe the question I should be asking is which bike will accelerate harder if both are running a 234 hp full Akra setups, and both (I assume) about the same weight with Carbon fiber subframes and wheels etc.

that’s hard to tell as I don’t have a full Akra R to try...the Anniversario has more displacement, but the R has lighter engine internals and will spin up faster and has a lot higher rpm...so I could go either way on paper I think, wondering in real life which one pulls harder from a roll when you twist the fun handle

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Based on just the first year Panigale V4, the Anniversario will be pretty brutal. And, I wouldn't worry about the R spinning up much faster, the 2019 V4s spin up as fast as you can feed them gears. The models after that, not so much.

Steven the issue is wheelie, either bike will accelerate to that limit. I haven't ridden either but the power delivery is different in the specs. The R revs more and has less torque lower in the range which is what you want on track so that you get more granular control of power delivery. For pure roll on then the 916 is possibly the better choice but you are splitting hairs.

For track I am assuming you mean one with corners and not other kind, then ultimately the R will be the better model but your learning curve will be years and hundred of hours to get the best out of it. I can only go on my experience which is limited to the 1299, I've been riding over 40 years. I've had plenty of bikes and only got into track days on the Ducati because of re entering bike world after a long break. Since owning the bike I have been through something like 30 tires, (I .... you not) 2 crashes, a few sets of clip ons, fairings rearsets... Now when I upgrade a part, it has to make a difference to how the bike performs, I have learnt to ride around the bikes faults and set it up to accommodate my skill level, but what you are asking is for the end result without the middle part which is called "hard yards"

You cant get the right answer here on this board, unless you have a long history as a racer or track day rider, there is no substitute for hours in the saddle, if you get the 916 and ride it hard for 20k then get on the R you will understand but at present you simply cannot do much more than scratch the surface of either bike. Tossing coin would provide an equally good answer. I would go for the R

All due respect to the OP, you are asking a question that no one can answer for you. All you can get is someone else’s opinion of their personal feelings and situation. Only you know which bike speaks to you. Which bike suits your ride. Assuming you are being honest with yourself and basing your decision on correct information.
To that point: A V4R without the full Titanium Akrapovic Race Exhaust and map from Ducati is not the Full R experience. In fact, significantly weaker by the numbers and in feel than a stock Panigale V4 1103. As it appears you live in California you might want to check on the current availability of that installation.
A Panigale V4 916 Anniversario DID NOT come with the Full Race Exhaust. It comes with the Akrapovic Titanuim Homologated Muffler which is lighter, and certainly better looking than the stock muffler, but still contains a catalyst and offers no performance improvement over stock. As an accessory it costs as much as the Full Race Exhaust though. If the original owner of the the V4 916 put the Full Exhaust on you’ve got a $6K bonus, but they didn’t come with it.
As many people have pointed out, sometimes derisively, and incorrectly, and simplistically, a V4 916 can be thought of as a V4S with the accessory catalog thrown at it. So, like a V4S it makes a better sporting street bike than a V4R for most people. A V4R has the “potential “ to be a better track/race bike for a rider who is able and prepared to exploit that potential.

Going with the V4 916 here’s why:

while it may be a parts bin bike, it has all the right parts lol

the V4 engine has the 2019 maps so it’s brutally fast, not softened up below 9000 rpm like the 2020+ bikes....BUT, it also has the 2020+ Evo 2 Suspension and driver nanny software abs tune...so you get the more savage engine profile WITH the driver nannies to help control it if a newer bike, it also already has the FULL Akra titanium race exhaust installed and upmapped so it rolling around with about 234 hp.

it has the 520 lightweight sprocket and chain, has the dry slipper clutch, has the upgraded brakes and master cylinders....it also has the front forks and front frame section from the V4R so it should handle about the same as the V4R and weights about as much as a V4R

it’s like someone wanted to build a V4R with the bigger engine that has more usuable grunt across the rpm band, or like they wanted to build the perfect V4R if you didn’t have to follow 1000cc race rules.

from an upgrade standpoint the only thing I need/want to do to it is put a carbon fiber rear subframe for a (relatively) cheap 11 pound weight reduction and shorty levers.

I did order some ThysenKrupp spun Carbon fiber wheels A while back, so I may put those on the bike when they come in, although the forged magnesium wheels that are on it are pretty light already and it’s the gold ones that are apparently hard to get so we’ll see about that

basically it seems like it’s a V4SP on steroids

You will be slower than V4R on that thing

226hp and power is nothing without control!!

Boy these bikes seem to loose quite a bit of power between the sales brochure and the Dyno. Passing through Panibadboy to Jolly Roger the 916 has already lost 8hp. Climbing through the numbers in the “driver nanny software” I believe continues to chew into that available rear wheel HP and then you have the riders experience and the “can I afford to crash this thing” factor which further plummet the power delivery that rear wheel will ever see so factoring HP figures is somewhat arbitrary. Performance figures posted for the bike and performance figures for the all but extremely experienced rider on the bike are rarely anywhere close.

JSR29 said:

To that point: A V4R without the full Titanium Akrapovic Race Exhaust and map from Ducati is not the Full R experience. In fact, significantly weaker by the numbers and in feel than a stock Panigale V4 1103. As it appears you live in California you might want to check on the current availability of that installation.
A Panigale V4 916 Anniversario DID NOT come with the Full Race Exhaust. It comes with the Akrapovic Titanuim Homologated Muffler which is lighter, and certainly better looking than the stock muffler, but still contains a catalyst and offers no performance improvement over stock. As an accessory it costs as much as the Full Race Exhaust though. If the original owner of the the V4 916 put the Full Exhaust on you’ve got a $6K bonus, but they didn’t come with it.

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This.

If the 916 A comes with a full system and you can't fit a full system on the R, get the 916 A.

I would rather have a V4S

Steven31371 said:

Going with the V4 916 here’s why:

while it may be a parts bin bike, it has all the right parts lol

the V4 engine has the 2019 maps so it’s brutally fast, not softened up below 9000 rpm like the 2020+ bikes....BUT, it also has the 2020+ Evo 2 Suspension and driver nanny software abs tune...so you get the more savage engine profile WITH the driver nannies to help control it if a newer bike, it also already has the FULL Akra titanium race exhaust installed and upmapped so it rolling around with about 234 hp.

it has the 520 lightweight sprocket and chain, has the dry slipper clutch, has the upgraded brakes and master cylinders....it also has the front forks and front frame section from the V4R so it should handle about the same as the V4R and weights about as much as a V4R

it’s like someone wanted to build a V4R with the bigger engine that has more usuable grunt across the rpm band, or like they wanted to build the perfect V4R if you didn’t have to follow 1000cc race rules.

from an upgrade standpoint the only thing I need/want to do to it is put a carbon fiber rear subframe for a (relatively) cheap 11 pound weight reduction and shorty levers.

I did order some ThysenKrupp spun Carbon fiber wheels A while back, so I may put those on the bike when they come in, although the forged magnesium wheels that are on it are pretty light already and it’s the gold ones that are apparently hard to get so we’ll see about that

basically it seems like it’s a V4SP on steroids

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Keep the Marchesini Mags on the bike. They are pretty light already.

panibadboy said:

You will be slower than V4R on that thing

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Maybe the bike is a bit slower around curves than an R, but at my shall we say; less than professional level of rider experience, frankly I would probably be faster after 10 track days on a 600 than I would be with an R over a 916 lol

And in a roll race out in the real world, I think the R might just barely edge out the win against a 916 because they both have the same horsepower and I think when I’m done with mine it will be lighter than most R’s, But the effect of those lightweight engine internals in the are helping it to spin up faster can’t be understated, in my experience lightweight engine internals don’t increase power but they do increase speed and then make the whole bike or car feel lighter and more alive, more visceral. So eventually I will get an R.

as I understand it ducatti is going to do a revision of its worlds superbike for 2022 so I think there will be a new or updated version of the are coming out in the next year or two so I’ll have fun on this 916 get some more experience with these kind of bikes and then get the next iteration of the R

R not are above haha

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good luck and post a few pics

Just did the paperwork...very excited, will ride it home in a couple of hours

was talking to the head shop tech about it, this bike IS an R with a bigger engine and some ellectronics that are banned for racing...and it has lighter wheels than the stock R

Lol

So you're sayin this "head tech" says that Ducati would mass produce and sell another trim to essentially be a better overall product than their race machine? Mag wheels, bigger motor, whatever else the 916 has that the R doesn't.

Sort of. It has a dry clutch and the V4R frame and electronics however I believe the engine internals are stock (valves, crank, rods) so it’s really an S.

endodoc said:

Sort of. It has a dry clutch and the V4R frame and electronics however I believe the engine internals are stock (valves, crank, rods) so it’s really an S.

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has the V4R front forks and rear shocks with the same internals in them as the R, has the 520 sprocket set of the R, the same brakes, same everything except it has lighter wheels than the R...dunno about the engine internals, but I have a Streetfighter V4S with a Termi exhaust and upmap, and this bike spins up way faster abs pulls way harder than my SFV4S...was wheelie’ ing a bit with anti wheelie set at 3 on this bike and the SFV4S won’t wheelie unless I try to in setting 1

bike handles amazing from the little bit I got out of it on a 45 minute ride home

double0 said:

Lol

So you're sayin this "head tech" says that Ducati would mass produce and sell another trim to essentially be a better overall product than their race machine? Mag wheels, bigger motor, whatever else the 916 has that the R doesn't.

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well maybe not MASS produce, maybe once every 25 years they go all out on a limited worldwide run of 500 of them? Haha