V4R Rumors for 2022+?

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saccardo said:
The factory bikes are special built units, not “stripped down” stock bikes.
They head to the teams from Corse, and very little additional modification happens.
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I know... I was wording my question subtly so as to not appear on the attack. The F22 I rode (Rinaldi's) was nothing like the V4R with the exception of the slow ass rider on it who tends to ride R bikes. ;)
 
DucatiTerminator said:
I know... I was wording my question subtly so as to not appear on the attack. The F22 I rode (Rinaldi's) was nothing like the V4R with the exception of the slow ass rider on it who tends to ride R bikes. ;)
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It feels familiar, but ultimately is much more refined and radically different.
 
saccardo said:
It feels familiar, but ultimately is much more refined and radically different.
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I'm not fast enough to really appreciate the differences. Plus, Rinaldi's bike seemed to sit a little taller than Bautista's (raised carbon seat base under the seat pad), so even the riding position was a little foreign to me. Acceleration was on a completely different level.
 
DucatiTerminator said:
Do you have to strip off that much of the team is getting a RS?
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Depends if you have a contract with Corse. If you’re a privateer, see Superbike Unlimited’s build or Kyle Wyman’s videos (). If that series that adheres to concession parts then you’re permitted to purchase Corse parts
 
saccardo said:
The factory bikes are special built units, not “stripped down” stock bikes.
They head to the teams from Corse, and very little additional modification happens.
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Correct but you need to produce 500 examples with the following requirements:

The motorcycles must be of current production.
The motorcycles are to be sold for every day public use.
At the time of the FIM inspection for homologation, the motorcycles must be completely equipped with all road-using equipment (e.g. full lighting equipment).
Only the original manufacturer may present the motorcycle for homologation.
The manufacturer must be a holder of an FIM licence for manufacturers.
If the motorcycle is presented with an engine from a motorcycle manufacturer different from the manufacturer requesting the homologation, a permission or commercial agreement must be presented at the time of the homologation request.
The motorcycle must have a manufacturer’s certificate of origin.
 
DucatiTerminator said:
I know... I was wording my question subtly so as to not appear on the attack. The F22 I rode (Rinaldi's) was nothing like the V4R with the exception of the slow ass rider on it who tends to ride R bikes. ;)
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Correct correct. Corse bikes aren’t stripped down. They’re handed a bottom end and frame from the normal production line though. 95% of the parts that RS is built from aren’t stock is what I was getting after. My point still stands.
 
SuperDomestique said:
Depends if you have a contract with Corse. If you’re a privateer, see Superbike Unlimited’s build or Kyle Wyman’s videos (). If that series that adheres to concession parts then you’re permitted to purchase Corse parts
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Both the KWR and SBU bikes are Frankensteins. Can’t compare them to the factory bikes.
 
saccardo said:
Both the KWR and SBU bikes are Frankensteins. Can’t compare them to the factory bikes.
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Agreed but factory RS’s are pretty limited and if you were to build a Superbike yourself without factory connections it would have to be a Frankenstein. Not all RS parts (i.e. subframe, steering, rearsets, exhaust, etc) are homologation/concession. I mean you can’t even buy a running V4RS from third-party that I know of.
 
SuperDomestique said:
Depends if you have a contract with Corse. If you’re a privateer, see Superbike Unlimited’s build or Kyle Wyman’s videos (). If that series that adheres to concession parts then you’re permitted to purchase Corse parts
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(I don't follow Wyman but) even SBU's build didn't replace anywhere close to 95%. And to be fair, I don't know how competitive they are or are trying to be in their organization.
SuperDomestique said:
Correct but you need to produce 500 examples with the following requirements:

The motorcycles must be of current production.
The motorcycles are to be sold for every day public use.
At the time of the FIM inspection for homologation, the motorcycles must be completely equipped with all road-using equipment (e.g. full lighting equipment).
Only the original manufacturer may present the motorcycle for homologation.
The manufacturer must be a holder of an FIM licence for manufacturers.
If the motorcycle is presented with an engine from a motorcycle manufacturer different from the manufacturer requesting the homologation, a permission or commercial agreement must be presented at the time of the homologation request.
The motorcycle must have a manufacturer’s certificate of origin.
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Of those 500, 95% ;) are not going to be used in competition. So Ducati is marketing the bike towards the consumer/enthusiast more so than towards the competitor, no?
 
DucatiTerminator said:
(I don't follow Wyman but) even SBU's build didn't replace anywhere close to 95%. And to be fair, I don't know how competitive they are or are trying to be in their organization.

Of those 500, 95% ;) are not going to be used in competition. So Ducati is marketing the bike towards the consumer/enthusiast more so than towards the competitor, no?
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100% agreed. And I’d say then you’re buying the wrong bike if you’re doing track days or riding it on street. Save yourself money and get a base or S for the street. And if you’re tracking the bike and you’re lazy, let Ducati do the work and pick up an SP2
 
KarlKani said:
price for 2023 Ducat V4r is
-40,000 euros in europe
-44,995.00 dollars in usa

WSBK price cap is 40,00 euros
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Prices we're seeing.
US prices have been lower in the past. Luck you.

€43,990. Euros = $42,755.798 US Dollars
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With Ti Akro system €51,525 = $50,081.269 US Dollars
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SuperDomestique said:
100% agreed. And I’d say then you’re buying the wrong bike if you’re doing track days or riding it on street. Save yourself money and get a base or S for the street. And if you’re tracking the bike and you’re lazy, let Ducati do the work and pick up an SP2
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I do see where you are coming from, but I think that at this level (and especially for those like me who don't have the skills or balls to ride these bikes at 90+%), the halo/exotic/street legal race bikes are more about the emotional tug, whatever that might be for the individual. Personally, I have a fetish for R bikes, but that wouldn't stop me from getting an SP2. Though if I was primarily riding on the street, I could argue that the forged aluminum wheels on the V4R might be better suited for rough roads than the carbon SP2 wheels. And even though I'm not on the track nearly as much as I would like, the luddite in me still prefers a sportbike without electronic suspension. And typically, those who can afford R bikes aren't worried about saving money in that sense. Those that do often end up modding their V4/V4S (or other brand equivalent) where the final price isn't far from buying the homologation special.
 
So basically a V4 2023 with a smaller engine and less torque lol... 👌

Despite the hp increase claims, I'm sure it will be within 1-5hp of a standard V4 on a dyno. Recall @RickD996 video of back to back dyno runs with his V4-V4R... Peak hp is just pushed up the rev range a bit.
 
Until you ride it at speed you wont know how it really goes, its not just a collection of parts chucked together and Ducati knows that every change has an effect as we have seen in GP with Honda's new bike for example. Racers will be modding these bikes to suit their individual needs and for 99% of track day riders this is more bike that they could hope to use. For those that dont head to the track it has the most important feature; the R badge and its kudos.
 
its not just a collection of parts chucked together and Ducati knows that every change has an effect as we have seen in GP with Honda's new bike for example
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Agreed. From what I've gathered race teams like evolution over revolution. When you change too many things it can lead to more problems than solutions. It's also a sign of desperation.
 

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