V4R Rumors for 2022+?

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KarlKani said:
This was a last minute shuffle, they shelved an entirely new bike for a minor update of 19 V4R for multiple reasons: supply chain issues, euro 5, Bautista about to win championship and 23 contract, price cap etc.
is what it is. 24 will debut full new V4 range including R
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I guess "last minute" is a bit longer time for you than it is for me, if you look at the exif-data on the images, a lot of them was taken 31.august,17.september and 21. september + a few in oktober. Provided a few links under here, and the exif data can be checked here e.g. Online Exif Viewer

 
Olenikolai said:
I guess "last minute" is a bit longer time for you than it is for me, if you look at the exif-data on the images, a lot of them was taken 31.august,17.september and 21. september + a few in oktober. Provided a few links under here, and the exif data can be checked here e.g. Online Exif Viewer

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perhaps we should try to get gps data, maybe bounce it off the proxy server + then backdoor the Marelli zero day
 
idk about the rest of you, but that ugly ass paint scheme is growing on me.

ugly or not, this is your chance to own a piece of ducati history--the last, highest spec SSSA ducati superbike (...maybe)
 
spooky said:
It looks like the price might be beyond the 40,000 EUR cap. Has this been changed?
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It has been changed but the amount has not been released yet. From WorldSBK regulation changes: new super concessions concept, sustainable fuels from 2024

Price cap of Sport Production machines

Due to the global economic situation and the recorded inflation, the FIM wished to consider the cost evolutions of production machines for 2023. A general proposal for a maximum percentage of increase of the maximum retail price of homologated production models was approved. The exact amounts and percentages will be published at a later stage.
 
WyldCFH said:
It has been changed but the amount has not been released yet. From WorldSBK regulation changes: new super concessions concept, sustainable fuels from 2024

Price cap of Sport Production machines

Due to the global economic situation and the recorded inflation, the FIM wished to consider the cost evolutions of production machines for 2023. A general proposal for a maximum percentage of increase of the maximum retail price of homologated production models was approved. The exact amounts and percentages will be published at a later stage.
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Good catch
 
craig bush said:
People probably said the same thing about the 998 with the debut of the 999.
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Those people were geniuses. Buying a 998R or 998 Monoposto was a great move considering the abomination that was conceived the following year.

What are the chances Ducati could .... up again with an absolute bomb (in a negative sense) in 2024?

I remember reading a while back that Ducati wanted to follow in Porsche's footsteps with their ever-evolving 911--no radical changes but simply refinement of the existing, successful design with every new generation. It they truly continue with that philosophy, I have high hopes that the next gen Panigale will be a stunner and look/perform even better than the 2023 models (even if it comes with a conventional DSSA)..
 
Alf said:
Those people were geniuses. Buying a 998R or 998 Monoposto was a great move considering the abomination that was conceived the following year.

What are the chances Ducati could .... up again with an absolute bomb (in a negative sense) in 2024?

I remember reading a while back that Ducati wanted to follow in Porsche's footsteps with their ever-evolving 911--no radical changes but simply refinement of the existing, successful design with every new generation. It they truly continue with that philosophy, I have high hopes that the next gen Panigale will be a stunner and look/perform even better than the 2023 models (even if it comes with a conventional DSSA)..
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999R was an abomination? It was one of the more successful Ducatis in WSBK (3x champion). The only other model that was more successful was the 916 where the rulebook was written by Ducati.

The 2022 bike is a championship contender and maybe championship winner. Making incremental improvements especially in the engine department where they excel (and will excel even more) is a smart move. Considering that the current R is 3 years old, I’d suspect they’d get another 3 years out of the 23 variant so a new bike before 25 or 26 is unlikely. To make another change in a year would seem like a waste of money to develop the 23
 
SuperDomestique said:
999R was an abomination? It was one of the more successful Ducatis in WSBK (3x champion).
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i was only referring to its aesthetic design.

it would seem form and function are mutually exclusive. i used to love the way gp bikes looked in the 90s—the way the front wheel tucked just a bit into the fairings. now look how the front wheel extends so far in front of the fairings (the aprilia motogp bike especially). sure it works better from a technical perspective but man does that look fugly (imo).

the 999 may have been very successful in terms of wsbk championships, but as much as i tried, i could never come to grips with that design as a consumer.

i think next year’s wsbk results will have a big say in when the next gen v4r will be released. if it continues to do well, maybe they can hold off another year before they introduce the next gen v4r. if the results aren’t that great, hopefully karlkani is correct in that we will see it in as early as next year. either way, considering what they released as a 2023 v4r, i don’t really think they wasted much in terms of money on development considering it’s really just a rehash of what’s already been introduced (i.e., winglets, software, fairings). the money sunk into engine development can carry over either way.
 
Alf said:
idk about the rest of you, but that ugly ass paint scheme is growing on me.

ugly or not, this is your chance to own a piece of ducati history--the last, highest spec SSSA ducati superbike (...maybe)
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Until.. the next one....
 
SuperDomestique said:
999R was an abomination? It was one of the more successful Ducatis in WSBK (3x champion). The only other model that was more successful was the 916 where the rulebook was written by Ducati.

The 2022 bike is a championship contender and maybe championship winner. Making incremental improvements especially in the engine department where they excel (and will excel even more) is a smart move. Considering that the current R is 3 years old, I’d suspect they’d get another 3 years out of the 23 variant so a new bike before 25 or 26 is unlikely. To make another change in a year would seem like a waste of money to develop the 23
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Sorry to be pedantic, but it was the 888 that rewrote the rule book with 3 riders titles and 3 manufacturers titles in WSB
Admittedly, WSB was a smaller championship in those days, but the big, fuel injected twin formula versus the 750 fours started then.
The 888 had a DSSA and when the 916 arrived, its SSA was criticised by Fogarty (who had a season on a factory 888 prior to the 916). So the controversy on this topic goes way back 😀
 
WyldCFH said:
It has been changed but the amount has not been released yet. From WorldSBK regulation changes: new super concessions concept, sustainable fuels from 2024

Price cap of Sport Production machines

Due to the global economic situation and the recorded inflation, the FIM wished to consider the cost evolutions of production machines for 2023. A general proposal for a maximum percentage of increase of the maximum retail price of homologated production models was approved. The exact amounts and percentages will be published at a later stage.
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I thought it must have but I hadn't managed to find that.

10% I reckon, based on some prices that I've seen so far. You'd think FIM would publish the rule before Ducati start putting the prices on their websites... :rolleyes:
 
spooky said:
I thought it must have but I hadn't managed to find that.

10% I reckon, based on some prices that I've seen so far. You'd think FIM would publish the rule before Ducati start putting the prices on their websites... :rolleyes:
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Maybe that’s what delayed things?
 
SuperDomestique said:
Maybe that’s what delayed things?
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Maybe. I think you could be right.

The linked news article was from 17 October, where they say they will announce details at a later date, but it looks like this announcement confirms that the decision to increase the price cap has been made. On the same website they published an article about the new V4R on the same day. I've still not seen any announcement confirming the new rules relating to price caps.

Obviously Ducati already know what the new rule will be and I'd guess it was agreed when they officially launched the bike.
 
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SuperDomestique said:
Considering that the current R is 3 years old, I’d suspect they’d get another 3 years out of the 23 variant so a new bike before 25 or 26 is unlikely. To make another change in a year would seem like a waste of money to develop the 23
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Since the 916, the life cycle for a given model (considering the 996/998, 1098/1198, and 1199/1299 as the same models) has averaged 4 or 5 years, and 2023 is the 6th MY for the v4, so historical precedent suggests a new model is overdue. Superbike development seems to be slowing though, and I agree that ongoing success in wsbk will likely delay release of an entirely new model even further.
 

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