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It will be fast + easier to ride and cost 40k
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All the influencers will gush all over it having been sampled one.
You won't be able to get one for at least 8 months after ordering it.
Then you will second guess your decision when the next model year is announced while you're waiting for delivery.
You won't be able to get one for at least 8 months after ordering it.
Then you will second guess your decision when the next model year is announced while you're waiting for delivery.
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Very insightful lol, but will it still have a single-sided swingarm?! That would be interesting (to see Ducati go in that direction). The signature design/brand cues are giving way to what works best for racing.
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The WSBK V4 uses a single sided swing arm.
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maybe not for much longer.....
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I'm totally indifferent to whether or not they keep it. For all I care they could ditch the Desmo thing too. Its seems engines have evolved beyond it.
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I don't know of any other 1000cc motorcycle engine that can rev to 16,500 rpm using valve springs?
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An F1 engine revs to 20K and isn't using a Desmo valve system. The screaming two cycle engines of the late 1980s were 19k on valve springs. I'm not sure how engine displacement is at all relevant to valve technology and RPM.
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Larger valves, increased reciprocating mass?
Also, I think F1 uses pneumatic valve springs.
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2 stroke engine with valve springs???? That's funny. F1 engine use pneumatic valves. Show me a 100cc production motorcycle engine that revs to 16,500 rpm using valve springs? Engine displacement is very relevant to valve technology and RPM, bigger displacement bigger heavier valves. The fact that you think 2 stroke engine uses valve springs tells me you don't know much about engines?
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That exactly goes to my point that engines have evolved beyond Desmo.
I'm not sure the ~88 Honda CBR250 is 2 cycle. It may be 4, but I'm not sure.
More to the point, stop with the ego fluffing BS in your posts. I'm just trying to talk bikes and you're all up with the attacks. I'll fully admit I don't know .... about 2 cycle. Even my lawn trimmer is 4 cycle.
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88 CBR 250 is a four stroke, revs to around 18,000 rpm. Sorry if i came off as ego fluffing that wasn't the intention. Was just pointing out the difference between 2 and 4 stroke. I work with engines a lot and i personally think the current V4 engine is the best i have ever seen, just my opinion but it is a very impressive piece of engineering.
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With a monsoon of respect.
I agree that the current V4 is an amazing engine. To get the power they are getting out of a homologated engine is astonishing.
My point was Desmo was a solution to a problem which doesn't really exist anymore. I'd love to see a Desmo 2.0ish with pneumatic valves or the like. I think Koenigsegg was doing electrically actuated valves which were faster than F1 style pneumatic. I just don't think Desmo is relevant in 2022. If we were to think of Desmo and unique to Ducati valve technology, then why not evolve it?
I agree that the current V4 is an amazing engine. To get the power they are getting out of a homologated engine is astonishing.
My point was Desmo was a solution to a problem which doesn't really exist anymore. I'd love to see a Desmo 2.0ish with pneumatic valves or the like. I think Koenigsegg was doing electrically actuated valves which were faster than F1 style pneumatic. I just don't think Desmo is relevant in 2022. If we were to think of Desmo and unique to Ducati valve technology, then why not evolve it?
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How expensive are the Koenigsegg electronic valves?
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As far as I know, Ducati is the only manufacturer in motogp to NOT use pneumatic valves, using desmo instead. Their engines are also the most powerful. Not to mention the power advantage they have in wsbk.
But yeah desmo is irrelevant in 2022 lol
But yeah desmo is irrelevant in 2022 lol
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thats the whole point the race bike is homologated every few years according to the race rules the next R will be the basis of the direction they want to go in... no SSSA in GP where if there was an advantage they would use it..
The Desmo thing is one of the main reasons behind the ducati power....and extra speed in both WSB and GP
Oh dear.....
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Um, didn't Honda et al campaign to reduce engine revs in MotoGP as no one could make a system as good as the desmo, and no one wanted to spend the coin to develop their own.
No other system is as reliable (ironic on a Ducati), or accurate, at high revs. Desmo is a clear advantage.
No other system is as reliable (ironic on a Ducati), or accurate, at high revs. Desmo is a clear advantage.
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Perhaps not surprising then that the way they chose to penalize Ducati in 2019 when the new v4r proved too dominant was to restrict the rev limit.
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