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SuperDomestique said:
I’m not so sure either… Grafted the V21L DSSA onto the 22 V4 and it gives me the heebie-jeebies. The exhaust would need to be re-engineered to clear the swingarm. I don’t think the new dual-shotgun type exhaust would fit and the current underslung one would be tight.

I don’t know about all these rumors of DSSA and seamless gearbox bc from a cost perspective putting both of these components on the new V4R would be prohibitive to hit any semblance of margins. But I’m usually wrong on these things…

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The back wheel is much bigger than the front wheel aha ha. Try that grafting again.
Re-engineering the exhaust is not an issue as it's done almost every year. Euro 5, Euro 6, how much more can we stuff in that box? I miss that 2019 V2 look. Omg that was gorgeous. This thing looks like someone stole it off a scooter.
 
SuperDomestique said:
I don’t know about all these rumors of DSSA and seamless gearbox bc from a cost perspective putting both of these components on the new V4R would be prohibitive to hit any semblance of margins.
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If you look at the swingarms of the world superbikes, they are not stock at all. The Honda CBR1000RR-R bike is using an underbraced swingarm vs. the stock one which is braced above; BMW is using a super fancy Suter swingarm which bears no resemblance to the stock part. So Ducati wouldn't need to throw on an expensive DSSA (like the one used on the MotoE bike) onto a stock V4R, as I would agree that would likely be too costly considering that have to remain at $40,000.

The seamless gearbox on the other hand is something that would have to be homologated into the bike for racing so to fit that into a $40,000 package, they have to cut out the rest of the bling (e.g., carbon fiber bodywork (which used to be on R bikes like the 998R), forged Mg wheels, higher spec Ohlins forks (which would be replaced anyways by the WSBK spec part), etc.
 
SuperDomestique said:
I’m not so sure either… Grafted the V21L DSSA onto the 22 V4 and it gives me the heebie-jeebies. The exhaust would need to be re-engineered to clear the swingarm. I don’t think the new dual-shotgun type exhaust would fit and the current underslung one would be tight.

I don’t know about all these rumors of DSSA and seamless gearbox bc from a cost perspective putting both of these components on the new V4R would be prohibitive to hit any semblance of margins. But I’m usually wrong on these things…

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Nice shop. 👍

Unless the Ducati brass is conducting a disinformation campaign, leaks have confirmed the dssa.
 
The BMW WSBK uses a Kalex SA.

The MotoE SA won't be too expensive to build as it'll be produced for a whole paddock plus spares and it looks like a cast piece as far as I can tell.
 
Alkhater said:
The BMW WSBK uses a Kalex SA.

The MotoE SA won't be too expensive to build as it'll be produced for a whole paddock plus spares and it looks like a cast piece as far as I can tell.
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What’s the provision within wsbk rules that allows the teams to run an upgraded swingarm that doesn’t come on the homologated bike?

I was under the impression that Ducati wanted to go to a dssa on the v4 for some time, and that the reason they didn’t was because of the homologation rules.
 
Clearly the SSSA has been good enough and will remain a very practical option for every application except top race level despite the shortcomings of weight and geometry issues but perhaps more importantly there's a huge body of knowledge on how DSSA's perform in competition. Owners have wanted to swap to a SSSA from DSSA on 899/959's, its quite ironic that us lot drool over DSSA's so if they do put it into production the new must have will be the R swinger and Akra combo!
 
Paul G said:
Clearly the SSSA has been good enough and will remain a very practical option for every application except top race level despite the shortcomings of weight and geometry issues but perhaps more importantly there's a huge body of knowledge on how DSSA's perform in competition. Owners have wanted to swap to a SSSA from DSSA on 899/959's, its quite ironic that us lot drool over DSSA's so if they do put it into production the new must have will be the R swinger and Akra combo!
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Human nature is fickle. Bike comes with a single, people want a double. Ducati makes an R with a dssa —> people will be swapping it back to the single. lol

Personally, I prefer the sssa and plan to stay with it on my Ducatis. My next bike purchase will be a Kramer though.
 
Vbreeze said:
The back wheel is much bigger than the front wheel aha ha. Try that grafting again.
Re-engineering the exhaust is not an issue as it's done almost every year. Euro 5, Euro 6, how much more can we stuff in that box? I miss that 2019 V2 look. Omg that was gorgeous. This thing looks like someone stole it off a scooter.
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You’re right. Must’ve accidentally moved my transform. Here’s the rear tire matched to the V4’s. Still looks weird. Threw the Akra belly pan exhaust off the V2 to see what that would look like. Not sure that’d be feasible with race regs.

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Alkhater said:
IIRC the rule states that the configuration must remain the same as production.

So SSSA can't switch to DSSA or vice versa but can modify within the configuration.
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unless they re homologate a new incarnation of the bike on say 7/10 when they can change what they like to apply to the rules...
 

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