V4R Rumors for 2022+?

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bp_SFV4 said:
I thought Kawasaki got a rev limit too.
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Yes, in 2021. It’s a “balance of power” rule. See link below.

Two things might be true simultaneously. The rev limit might be the most convenient way to limit power on any bike, AND no bike has been so dominant recently as the 2019 v4r - possibly because it made much more power than the other bikes, possibly due to a substantially higher rev limit (16.5 vs 15), possibly due to desmo.

https://www.motorsport.com/wsbk/news/rea-very-frustrated-wsbk-rev-limit-imposed-kawasaki/6512837/
 
So for years I’ve loved the old Mach 3 Mustangs from the early 70’s, had it in the back of my mind that one day I’ll build a resto mod version in my garage…also with all the ‘new’ versions of old cars coming out that harken back to the classic era like the Camero I was hoping one day Ford would build a new modern sick looking Mach 3

They did make a Mach 3 but they took this iconic classic and turned it into a ....... electric minivan….

Would be hilarious if Ducati’s next V4R was an electric bike. Both badass and dreadful at the same time.

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Interesting..... Looks mostly like an SP2 with a different graphic. I would be disappointed if Ducati stuck with the SSSA. I can't imagine Ducati would take such a financial hit putting on GP4 calipers and carbon fiber wheels on the V4R and sell it at $40,000. I thought the overall design would look more different, signaling the next step of the evolution of the Panigale.

I doubt it.
 
Alf said:
Interesting..... Looks mostly like an SP2 with a different graphic. I would be disappointed if Ducati stuck with the SSSA. I can't imagine Ducati would take such a financial hit putting on GP4 calipers and carbon fiber wheels on the V4R and sell it at $40,000. I thought the overall design would look more different, signaling the next step of the evolution of the Panigale.

I doubt it.
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Are carbon wheels homologated for wsbk?
 
CSV4 said:
Curious how you know how much Ducati's costs are... not challenging, just curious
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Ducati has a set max. price at $40,000. I'm just using the 2019 V4R as a reference. That bike used Stylema calipers and forged aluminum rims. The GP4 (especilally the GP4 MS) calipers cost WAAAAY more, as do the carbon fiber wheels, (compared to the forged aluminum). Ducati would really be squeezing their profit margin on the bike by adding such high end components to the bike while having to maintain the $40,000 price.

So it has nothing to do with what I know about Ducati costs (I know nothing)--it's all about profit margin. That's what I was referring to when I was talking about a financial hit.
 
yeah... just curious about how much they actually have in the R. Given limited production nos. doubt they're looking at margins much (if at all) but I'm still curious about how much these bikes cost to build.

I can see them adding carbon wheels... prices have to be coming down since they're now in so many more bikes
 
Believe me, I would love to be wrong on this. What buyer wouldn't love to see top shelf goodies loaded on their bike?

I agree, margins may not be the manufacturers PRIMARY focus. After all, taking a loss on selling a product is certainly not unheard of (think Playstation).

But IMHO, Ducati doesn't need to put these on the bike to sell them. I don't think carbon fiber wheels are even allowed in WSBK. Even if they put GP4 MS calipers on the bike, the race teams would toss them for the even higher spec ones with heatsink fins on them.

The purpose of the V4R is to homologate its factory world superbike. If it doesn't serve that purpose, then I wonder why Ducati would want to cut it's profit margin. After all, they will be able to sell every last V4R they produce whether it has aluminum wheels or carbon fiber ones.
 
Alf said:
I don't think carbon fiber wheels are even allowed in WSBK. Even if they put GP4 MS calipers on the bike, the race teams would toss them for the even higher spec ones with heatsink fins on them.

The purpose of the V4R is to homologate its factory world superbike. If it doesn't serve that purpose, then I wonder why Ducati would want to cut it's profit margin. After all, they will be able to sell every last V4R they produce whether it has aluminum wheels or carbon fiber ones.
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This is why I asked if carbon wheels were homologated. If they aren’t, it would make no sense for Ducati to put them on the homologation bike.
 
so how much more does it cost Ducati to make the R engine? hopefully at least $10K... i know those Pankl conrods are expensive to buy retail
 
So based on that WSBK swingarm thread, seems like everyone is reasonably certain it will be a double sided swingarm on that new v4r?
 
I’m not so sure either… Grafted the V21L DSSA onto the 22 V4 and it gives me the heebie-jeebies. The exhaust would need to be re-engineered to clear the swingarm. I don’t think the new dual-shotgun type exhaust would fit and the current underslung one would be tight.

I don’t know about all these rumors of DSSA and seamless gearbox bc from a cost perspective putting both of these components on the new V4R would be prohibitive to hit any semblance of margins. But I’m usually wrong on these things…

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