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The RSV4 1100 Factory was at the IMS show and it does look dated. The BMW is not supposed to be out until summer or early fall as dealers have 2019 bikes now (same as 2018). Based on previous reviews and those that do them I think it will go to the S1000RR IMHO.
I will add that having owned most except the S1000RR I think the Ducati V4 is tops (sounds biased). The things they will knock (heat, no cruise & cost).
I will add that having owned most except the S1000RR I think the Ducati V4 is tops (sounds biased). The things they will knock (heat, no cruise & cost).
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Sold my 15 s1000rr to look for a v4s, but after reading so many issues with duc, I will await the 2019 s1000rr.
Bet it beats the ducati. Anyone see the dash on the new s1000rr? not much info on it, but it seems that it will pair to ones phone. Available navigation on the screen, heck yeah. just based on the technology on the beamer, it blows the duc away.
Bet it beats the ducati. Anyone see the dash on the new s1000rr? not much info on it, but it seems that it will pair to ones phone. Available navigation on the screen, heck yeah. just based on the technology on the beamer, it blows the duc away.
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I saw the new BMW at the LA IMS show and it is nice. I am not sure about better tech than the V4. The S1000RR does not have GPS on the dash that I am aware of they have an option that you can add for lap timer. The BMW does feel slimmer on the new bike and it has cruise & heated grips if that's what you like.
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Aprilia always seems to do very well in test, so that is my guess..
I own and track an RSV4 and can't really say I am that impressed with the latest version of this tried and true superbike. The bike to me still seems heavy for the times, and the visual changes they made (winglets and a different cut in the headlights) aren't inspiring.
I have owned two BWM S1000RR's and I am very excited to ride this latest version.
The V4 is amazing, easy to ride, and it fixed some of the key faults/characteristics I noticed with the Panigale series. Still I would hold out for the BMW I think. A base model V4 is 24K out the door and a base model S1000RR is around 16-17k which leaves plenty of room in the wallet to make that swap for cartridges and a more race oriented shock. Not only that BMW has to do something exceptional to really compete against the VR and bring some competition to Yamaha's R1 who is dominating the track scene for the past three years.
I have owned two BWM S1000RR's and I am very excited to ride this latest version.
The V4 is amazing, easy to ride, and it fixed some of the key faults/characteristics I noticed with the Panigale series. Still I would hold out for the BMW I think. A base model V4 is 24K out the door and a base model S1000RR is around 16-17k which leaves plenty of room in the wallet to make that swap for cartridges and a more race oriented shock. Not only that BMW has to do something exceptional to really compete against the VR and bring some competition to Yamaha's R1 who is dominating the track scene for the past three years.
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44Teeth tested the V4S vs the RSV4 RF on the track. The RSV4 RF turned quicker times but they enjoyed riding the V4S more. So it comes down to which you prefer.
Now throwing the new BMW into the mix, I'm sure it will be a solid performer, but I'm pretty sure it will feel completely without character like the current BMW.
I for one enjoy character and looks over sheer numbers. I turned in my BMW for an R1M to join my Pani in the garage.
Now throwing the new BMW into the mix, I'm sure it will be a solid performer, but I'm pretty sure it will feel completely without character like the current BMW.
I for one enjoy character and looks over sheer numbers. I turned in my BMW for an R1M to join my Pani in the garage.
At EICMA the new S1000RR was presented in two color options. The one with the official BMW motorsport colors was apparently fully loaded, with what seems carbon rims, lots of carbon pieces and get this...proper floating discs!
The one in red color scheme was like a bone stock bike and had to my shock those BMW "semi-floating" disc. I didn't get a change to ask someone from BMW about that poor stunt. I wasn't expecting those discs, that are more or less the same as on my '12 BMW K1300R, on a top '19 superbike.
The one in red color scheme was like a bone stock bike and had to my shock those BMW "semi-floating" disc. I didn't get a change to ask someone from BMW about that poor stunt. I wasn't expecting those discs, that are more or less the same as on my '12 BMW K1300R, on a top '19 superbike.
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In Belgium, we have BIV taxes. This means a tax before being allowed to ride it.This is dependent on the amount of kW (HP) on the official paper.
Until 78kW, you pay 123 euro BIV
Between 121 and 155kW (which is superbike territory), you pay 2500 euro!!
But!!! +155kW is 5000 euro!!!! Jeezes...
Now, Ducati being Ducati...
They import the bike with official papers for 78kW and a restriction in the software. Your local dealer removes the restriction, and hupla... 157kW and 123 euro
That's why you don't see a lot of Aprilia's or BMW's here...
Anybody wanting a superbike, buys a Ducati.
Until 78kW, you pay 123 euro BIV
Between 121 and 155kW (which is superbike territory), you pay 2500 euro!!
But!!! +155kW is 5000 euro!!!! Jeezes...
Now, Ducati being Ducati...
They import the bike with official papers for 78kW and a restriction in the software. Your local dealer removes the restriction, and hupla... 157kW and 123 euro
That's why you don't see a lot of Aprilia's or BMW's here...
Anybody wanting a superbike, buys a Ducati.
In Belgium, we have BIV taxes. This means a tax before being allowed to ride it.This is dependent on the amount of kW (HP) on the official paper.
Until 78kW, you pay 123 euro BIV
Between 121 and 155kW (which is superbike territory), you pay 2500 euro!!
But!!! +155kW is 5000 euro!!!! Jeezes...
Now, Ducati being Ducati...
They import the bike with official papers for 78kW and a restriction in the software. Your local dealer removes the restriction, and hupla... 157kW and 123 euro
That's why you don't see a lot of Aprilia's or BMW's here...
Anybody wanting a superbike, buys a Ducati.
Wohha! That's nuts! Didn't know that! And I thought my country is tyrannic! That's BS and a ripoff to tax citizens based on how much power the bike outputs. How do they even justify this monstrous tax?
It is a very old tax, from the times manufacturers started to make bikes that could do 300+ km/h. They were scared and hoped this tax would stop people from buying this kind of bikes. Don't forget, up till recently, in France you could only buy bikes with max 100hp (so we copied this and made it cheap for 100hp, 78kW).
For years now, politicians and lobbyists are discussing this tax to be changed. They want it to be linked to the amount of CO2 a motor emits.
But maybe back on topic
I think the Aprilia will win in a test between these bikes. The frame and setup is so strong! They started when electronics were still options, so they had to build a good frame.
I guess the BMW will be better in a straight line, but still crap at turning.
It is a very old tax, from the times manufacturers started to make bikes that could do 300+ km/h. They were scared and hoped this tax would stop people from buying this kind of bikes. Don't forget, up till recently, in France you could only buy bikes with max 100hp (so we copied this and made it cheap for 100hp, 78kW).
For years now, politicians and lobbyists are discussing this tax to be changed. They want it to be linked to the amount of CO2 a motor emits.
But maybe back on topic
I think the Aprilia will win in a test between these bikes. The frame and setup is so strong! They started when electronics were still options, so they had to build a good frame.
I guess the BMW will be better in a straight line, but still crap at turning.
Yes back on topic! I'd still wager on the Ducati taking the win. But it will be close between the V4 and the RSV4. It will also be subjective to the rider ability. For the average rider probably the RSV4 will come up slightly faster 9 out of 10 times especially because of that well balanced chassis, but for the pro I think the Ducati will come on top same 9 out of 10 times.
It was mentioned earlier that the RSV4 won in the 44teeth review. Well yes, but let's look at the conditions. They claim the same rider tested both but with some traffic. That alone is not very scientific test! Also, despite his vast journalistic and rider experience, he's not a professional is he?! They both claimed the V4 has to be ridden in a certain way that not many are able to do it to extract top level performance from the bike.
A more balanced review was done by motorcycle.com [youtube]L5FtMjjioOQ[/youtube]
in which the rider is also a professional racer.
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Thanks for posting the vid, just watched it.
They say Aprilia has the chassis and Ducati the engine.
The pro racer Shane "thinks" he can get the chassis to work as good as the Aprilia. That's hoping and time spent chasing a setup to equal the Aprilia.
So it still comes down to chassis versus engine. It's easier to cut quick lap times on a bike with a great chassis than a bike with a great engine even for a Pro.
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I would agree with twistedracer a well setup bike will always be easier to ride then one with big HP. I think the V4 has a lot of potential and most of us that own Ducati's purchase them or reasons other then that they win shoot-outs.
In regards to the BMW the M package that has the BMW color scheme with carbon wheels, upgraded electronics & seats (supposedly around $26K USA) will be a nice bike for the price.
In regards to the BMW the M package that has the BMW color scheme with carbon wheels, upgraded electronics & seats (supposedly around $26K USA) will be a nice bike for the price.
Agree mostly with what u guys say. But there will be a track winner and a street winner.
I’d guess chassis will take the track so that’s a Ape.
Comfort , engine and looks will take street. So that’s the Duc.
It leaves the Bmw. 100cc down, less character and cheap feeling in certain depts.
But it may be a good all rounder ?
One thing about the BMW I think sucks, are those no name brakes. Whatever Haynes are, if they were any good, why haven’t Most of us heard of them. And they look cheap ass.
The old BMW brembos were brilliant .
But hey, I’m gonna wait and reserve judgement till I ride one.
I’d guess chassis will take the track so that’s a Ape.
Comfort , engine and looks will take street. So that’s the Duc.
It leaves the Bmw. 100cc down, less character and cheap feeling in certain depts.
But it may be a good all rounder ?
One thing about the BMW I think sucks, are those no name brakes. Whatever Haynes are, if they were any good, why haven’t Most of us heard of them. And they look cheap ass.
The old BMW brembos were brilliant .
But hey, I’m gonna wait and reserve judgement till I ride one.
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