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What failed to make its way into the conversation is the separation between health and economics. The vac may or may not positively impact an individual. The vac may or may not negatively impact an individual. Alternative therapies, same scenario. What we do know for certain is the best scenario to be in is, get the virus, have little to no symptoms and your immune system does the rest. That’s the health side.

Economically, the vac is a disaster. It doesn’t do what they said it does from an economic perspective which is prevent the spread or prevent infection so on that front, looks like the globe was taken to the cleaners. Just ask Paul how well that vac is working socially and economically. Setting aside our differences of opinion on the health front,the vac so far is an utter failure at “getting back to normal”
 
DCPanni said:
Haha…

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that's the great thing about a discrediting tactic:

take a couple of random idiots. (how does the "so well educated" majority look at Mississippi?)

report (without doasage detail) on adverse effects.

At least 70% of the recent calls have been related to ingestion of livestock or animal formulations of ivermectin purchased at livestock supply centers. ---------- 70% of how many total? 7 out of ten? that's not a lot of people.




• 85% of the callers had mild symptoms, but one individual was instructed to seek further evaluation due to the amount of ivermectin reportedly ingested. ------ 85% out of those 7? oh and here we have the one for the headlines YAY

• No hospitalizations due to ivermectin toxicity have been directly reported to the Mississippi Poison Control Center or the Mississippi State Department of Health. ------ so it's fair to say, even when used in wrong doses, it's still safer than covid?

• There are approved uses for ivermectin in both people and animals. Patients should be advised to not take any medications intended to treat animals and should be instructed to only take ivermectin as prescribed by their physician. - as all drugs are

• Animal drugs are highly concentrated for large animals and can be highly toxic in humans. Some of the symptoms associated with ivermectin toxicity include rash, nausea, vomiting, abdominal pain, neurologic disorders, and potentially severe hepatitis requiring hospitalization. ------ that sounds like rocket surgery to me. so even though i like Don Julio 70 a lot, it's not recommended to have 5 bottles a day? now i'm surprised.

bottom line: meh...
 
There are indeed governments that approved and are using ivermectin to treat Covid. Let's have a look at how they are doing compared to the USA which has over 50% covid shots administered compared to these other countries with minimal covid shots administered.
ALL GRAPHS ARE FROM HERE , (Worldometer - real time world statistics )which has been the goto stats site for all things Covid since 2019
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Wow look at that. India, Czech Republic, and Slovakia who are using Ivermectin INSTEAD OF THE Covid shots have crushed the pandemic.
Meanwhile in the USA where we should be reaching herd immunity with the impressive amount of covid shots given

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WOOPS! Guess it's not working. Weird hu?
Look at the viscous up-curve the USA has heading right back to 2020 numbers. Gosh that curious.
Does that raise an eyebrow for you? Give a question to all the propaganda?
 
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Phl said:
that's the great thing about a discrediting tactic:

take a couple of random idiots. (how does the "so well educated" majority look at Mississippi?)

report (without doasage detail) on adverse effects.

At least 70% of the recent calls have been related to ingestion of livestock or animal formulations of ivermectin purchased at livestock supply centers. ---------- 70% of how many total? 7 out of ten? that's not a lot of people.




• 85% of the callers had mild symptoms, but one individual was instructed to seek further evaluation due to the amount of ivermectin reportedly ingested. ------ 85% out of those 7? oh and here we have the one for the headlines YAY

• No hospitalizations due to ivermectin toxicity have been directly reported to the Mississippi Poison Control Center or the Mississippi State Department of Health. ------ so it's fair to say, even when used in wrong doses, it's still safer than covid?

• There are approved uses for ivermectin in both people and animals. Patients should be advised to not take any medications intended to treat animals and should be instructed to only take ivermectin as prescribed by their physician. - as all drugs are

• Animal drugs are highly concentrated for large animals and can be highly toxic in humans. Some of the symptoms associated with ivermectin toxicity include rash, nausea, vomiting, abdominal pain, neurologic disorders, and potentially severe hepatitis requiring hospitalization. ------ that sounds like rocket surgery to me. so even though i like Don Julio 70 a lot, it's not recommended to have 5 bottles a day? now i'm surprised.

bottom line: meh...
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Bottom line: engineers with 30 published engineering articles suck at critically assessing medical articles.
 
Ryfly05 said:
Why stop with cancer? I'm sure with all of our technology we have today there's a cure out there for old age and death huh?

I've gotta stop reading this thread. Some of you guys have lost it.
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Now you got me to chime in....hair...that is all I want, and not out of my ears or on my back, on the top of my melon where it belongs! #freethefolicle
 
Kev242 said:
Now you got me to chime in....hair...that is all I want, and not out of my ears or on my back, on the top of my melon where it belongs! #freethefolicle
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I'll donate you mine (on my head lol) since i cut it practically bald. Hair sucks EVERYWHERE!
 
craig bush said:
That’s the issue I understand least - if they’re so confident that the “vaccine” is effective and they are protected once they get the shot, then why do they care if anyone else gets it?
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I guess 622,000 dead people would have an opinion on that if they were still alive. You have illustrated the main point, it's not about healthy rugged individualist you, it's about the other person who is more vulnerable like say grandma or some immune compromised person that an unvaccinated person is far more likely to spread it too. So the question is; does personal freedom outweigh civic responsibility?

As for invermectin in India, its ........
healthfeedback.org

No data available to suggest a link between India’s reduction of COVID-19 cases and the use of ivermectin

India experienced a decrease in the number of COVID-19 cases in May 2021. However, no data is available to support the claim that this is causally associated with the recommendation to use ivermectin. The slow down of the disease spreading began before India released official recommendations to...
healthfeedback.org healthfeedback.org

That was in May, since then they have dropped the quackery

www.indiatoday.in

DGHS drops Ivermectin, Doxycycline from Covid-19 treatment; ICMR rules unchanged

The revised guidelines have also dropped drugs such as hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, doxycycline, zinc and multivitamins, that were earlier prescribed by doctors to treat asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic Covid-19 patients.
www.indiatoday.in www.indiatoday.in
 
You guys need to talk to the medical staff at hospitals that are overrun with covid patients, its sad and distressing. I know a few, a mate in Tampa has 13 hospital wards full of covid cases- 13! They are still filling up and the stories are heartbreaking. Anyway I'm done on this thread, its pathetic to listen to grown men think pro vaccine means you are a shill for big pharma or frightened or stupid.
 
Paul G said:
I guess 622,000 dead people would have an opinion on that if they were still alive. You have illustrated the main point, it's not about healthy rugged individualist you, it's about the other person who is more vulnerable like say grandma or some immune compromised person that an unvaccinated person is far more likely to spread it too. So the question is; does personal freedom outweigh civic responsibility?

As for invermectin in India, its ........
healthfeedback.org

No data available to suggest a link between India’s reduction of COVID-19 cases and the use of ivermectin

India experienced a decrease in the number of COVID-19 cases in May 2021. However, no data is available to support the claim that this is causally associated with the recommendation to use ivermectin. The slow down of the disease spreading began before India released official recommendations to...
healthfeedback.org healthfeedback.org

That was in May, since then they have dropped the quackery

www.indiatoday.in

DGHS drops Ivermectin, Doxycycline from Covid-19 treatment; ICMR rules unchanged

The revised guidelines have also dropped drugs such as hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, doxycycline, zinc and multivitamins, that were earlier prescribed by doctors to treat asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic Covid-19 patients.
www.indiatoday.in www.indiatoday.in
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Paul unfortunately the very point you’re trying to make that vaccinated people are less responsible for spreading Covid to weaker individuals is now providing to be false.

Taking all the meta data into account it’s just as easy to get Covid and transmit Covid when vaccinated than it is when not so again except for the potential to have less severe consequences which is impossible to prove until you do get it, what’s the point of being vaccinated? You’re not protecting anyone.
 
Paul you absolutely know that a vaccinated person can pass the virus. That has been proven by every conceivable outlet. So tell us how this helps the poor and weak? If getting the vaccine meant that I could never pass the virus to anyone, I would be getting my shot today but it doesn’t protect those people at all.
 
Also, for reference, the scdhec website (for SC) used to display age of death up until recently. Amongst those nearly 10k for the state, the average age of death was 1(!) year below the median life expectancy.
I’m not saying that the dead should not hav had the right to live a year longer, but it’s time to put things into perspective.

and on the vax topic: I myself have gotten any available shot that USCIS deemed necessary of refreshing or getting the first time around, including the flu shot, just a little over 1.5 years ago.

as soon as a standard (non-mRNA) shot comes out, the chances of me taking one will increase slightly. But probably just out of convenience for the draconian measures that will be in place by then.

luckily I’m in a relatively free state down here and not in Commiefornia or NY
 
Paul G said:
I guess 622,000 dead people would have an opinion on that if they were still alive. You have illustrated the main point, it's not about healthy rugged individualist you, it's about the other person who is more vulnerable like say grandma or some immune compromised person that an unvaccinated person is far more likely to spread it too. So the question is; does personal freedom outweigh civic responsibility?…
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How are these people so vulnerable after receiving the “vaccine”?
 
How do you explain the pandemic acceleration in the US which has over 50% vaxxed - they should be well on their way to herd immunity if you go by the Pfizer propaganda.
 

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