Who is excited about the Ducati V4?

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topolino said:
OK TJ99, so they are real pics but do you not think it's odd how there have been two major leaks in as many days by what look to be factory employees. So close to the launch of the engine as well. I thought they are in breach of a non-disclosure agreement and stand to be dismissed if caught out. You know the factory better than most but these latest three images seem to look like the area where they test the bikes post production line (ie it was taken at the factory). The other we know to be taken at Mugello. Am I not correct in thinking (in the case of the pictures posted today) the only people who have access to this area work at Borgo Panigale?
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No, I don't. There are others who have access to the areas pictured. Before any bike is put into production, there are many 'outsiders' who have seen it, as is necessary to ensure an adequate support structure is already in place by the time the first one is sold.

Also it sounds like you've toured/seen the factory but that is not the area where the bikes are run-in after assembly.
 
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It's only when you see the two bikes together, you realise how bloated the new design is. It's staggering how good the D16RR looked, packaged around a similarly proportioned engine, yet this is such a monumental cock-up. Feel trying to emulate the Panigale design with so many modifications needed to accommodate the engine have stretched it too far, in terms of the baseline. They'd have been better with a clean slate and forget the Pani all together. A 2017 D16RR at Panigale prices, that's what we should be getting!! Not this VFR look-a-like. The increased width of the engine and injector bodies, probably did for the compact monocoque airbox/frame design, now having to sprout two arms instead, more like a jap beam frame design. Plastic exoskeleton layout, as found on the R1 and the Supersport, in my view cheapens it's appearance. Most if not all of the Panigale/1198/998 elegance in terms of form has gone. This is a visually heavy bike to the eye. Not so much a rapier, more a baseball bat.

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Topolino, I think you nailed it. It really doesn't look like much imagination was used here. They just shoved the new engine into the old bike and made the bodywork fit around it as best they could.

Oh well, will still probably look great in race trim.
 
Beauty and the beast. On the left a perfectly proportioned stunning model. On the right, they've tried to shoehorn a size 18 into a size 10 dress. Never gonna work! Looks not so much Panigale more ST4.

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Assuming it was the Scrambler designers who created this letdown, it looks like they spent too much time on their moustaches and not enough on everything else.
 
Angus1609 said:
Assuming it was the Scrambler designers who created this letdown, it looks like they spent too much time on their moustaches and not enough on everything else.
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In all fairness to the designer who is another friend and very talented, his original sketches were quite different to the final product, and even those were subject to heavy constraints/limitations. Due to a number of factors beyond his control he should not be judged by this.
 
TJ99 said:
In all fairness to the designer who is another friend and very talented, his original sketches were quite different to the final product, and even those were subject to heavy constraints/limitations. Due to a number of factors beyond his control he should not be judged by this.
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Fair enough! No insult to the designer's original intent...Good old Ducati management at work ;)
 
TJ99 said:
In all fairness to the designer who is another friend and very talented, his original sketches were quite different to the final product, and even those were subject to heavy constraints/limitations. Due to a number of factors beyond his control he should not be judged by this.
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As inevitably costs and management intervention dilute the original concept, that said, I think it was a mistake to try and replicate the Panigale. Ducati would have been much better off packaging the V4 engine in a new for 2017 updated take on the D16RR design or an all new affair, rather than try and mutate an existing design (though tantalisingly successful one). Had we had a fresh model to hail the arrival of the first mass produced V4 superbike from Bologna, we'd all be queuing outside the dealerships now, just as people were when the 1098 first arrived in the UK. Great shame and a wasted opportunity.
 
I can only hope it's as ugly as it appears above. That will help values of the 1299. LOL
 
Looking at the leaked pics (if legit) it looks like it's just another sports bike. It doesn't separate itself from the other Jap bikes. Even if it comes in a different dress and/or exhaust that engine and geometry set up looks pretty much final. It's going to be wide, really wide......
 
Who is excited about the V4?

This arm from the side fairing to the tank like the supersport it's really a bad decision

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