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I don’t see any new activity for the old bikes in map share

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Hmm, mapshare seems off to me. It says I uploaded a map in 3/2020. I didn’t. 3/20 Covid was in town and I know I wasn’t playing with software. That map was uploaded in 2019. Also when I uploaded that map there was only one Ducati map in the whole mapshare (cknoll 15/15 R) Mick you said in this thread when you gave advice on getting started that you started with a map in the mapshare section. The only maps in there were mine, cknoll and sergioabutre (2014 R). So you used cknoll 15/16 R as your starting map?

Mick1976 said:
The stock map on the bike is crap best thing you can do as a start is load one of the Woolrich maps off there forum I actually started that way and you don't need the wideband stuff installed. It will run way better then stock and smoothen all the choppiness out and run smoother.
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The cknoll map I had initially started with that map and ran a short time before getting the full autotune/wideband package. Before I installed the widebands I had thought I bricked the ecu so Woolich had me do a recovery on the ecu which put it back to factory condition before doing the first autotune.


endodoc said:
Hmm, mapshare seems off to me. It says I uploaded a map in 3/2020. I didn’t. 3/20 Covid was in town and I know I wasn’t playing with software. That map was uploaded in 2019. Also when I uploaded that map there was only one Ducati map in the whole mapshare (cknoll 15/15 R) Mick you said in this thread when you gave advice on getting started that you started with a map in the mapshare section. The only maps in there were mine, cknoll and sergioabutre (2014 R). So you used cknoll 15/16 R as your starting map?
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Mick1976 said:
The cknoll map I had initially started with that map and ran a short time before getting the full autotune/wideband package. Before I installed the widebands I had thought I bricked the ecu so Woolich had me do a recovery on the ecu which put it back to factory condition before doing the first autotune.
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So your saying your first auto tune gave you a liner, stacked ETV map (the one you posted on page 14) right out of the gate?
 
Doesn’t really matter who got what where or from whom. All that matters is that we get an understanding what works and share it with each other. Does blow we can’t email the tables to each other but is what it is. Dunno how Mick ended up with the ETV map posted pages ago (and don’t care). It looks like a great place to start.

Let’s discuss ETV tables : )

Other than 100% throttle = 100% throttle what else can be considered??? (I have a lot of ideas and a lot of questions

LIMP MODE - Has anyone else redone theirs so the bike will still be ridable even if it goes into limp? Full power or did you pull a lil out?
 
Before you can talk about any tables you need to first establish what control you have over the software. If as Mick says, the software mods the ETV tables right out of the gate that can only mean that Woolich has included a “canned” tunable parameter in their software that regardless of what the user wants is going to populate that ETV file on your first autotune so this would then mean that the user after the first tune has to go in and manually configure the ETV file to their liking and then what, is the software going to attempt to change it because you changed it? Is anyone home?
Again, not doubting Micks claim, that’s not my concern, I’m trying to understand the position Woolich has taken with new users.

Additionally no where that I could find mentions that the auto tune you just bought is going to modify anything but the AF file so I guess “first load” ignition and ETV files are what, a surprise?
 
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Yes thats correct the ETV tables changed right out the gate from 1st autotune.

endodoc said:
Before you can talk about any tables you need to first establish what control you have over the software. If as Mick says, the software mods the ETV tables right out of the gate that can only mean that Woolich has included a “canned” tunable parameter in their software that regardless of what the user wants is going to populate that ETV file on your first autotune so this would then mean that the user after the first tune has to go in and manually configure the ETV file to their liking and then what, is the software going to attempt to change it because you changed it? Is anyone home?
Again, not doubting Micks claim, that’s not my concern, I’m trying to understand the position Woolich has taken with new users.

Additionally no where that I could find mentions that the auto tune you just bought is going to modify anything but the AF file so I guess “first load” ignition and ETV files are what, a surprise?
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Highly unlikely but I try to never say never.
Woolich responded with multiple no’s Mick. You put a target a/f in, log, and it makes suggestions to try to get you closer to target. I don’t know where you got your 100=100% and it don’t matter to me.

The low throttle low rpm cells and the differences in gears down there is what we should be talking about. Or limp. Or anything else lol. Here are my N 1 and 2-6 maps:

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Have you verified your ecu is set in factory mode never flashed? If you take a ecu (factory set) go log a map then apply a auto tune to that map the ETV and Ignition map numbers are going to change. Once you write that map to the ecu and go repeat log/autotune the numbers will not change only the A/F numbers will.


Don14R said:
Highly unlikely but I try to never say never.
Woolich responded with multiple no’s Mick. You put a target a/f in, log, and it makes suggestions to try to get you closer to target. I don’t know where you got your 100=100% and it don’t matter to me.

The low throttle low rpm cells and the differences in gears down there is what we should be talking about. Or limp. Or anything else lol. Here are my N 1 and 2-6 maps:
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Mine got upmap day one 2014

If it gone back to factory for some reason wouldn’t a light have come on being that the exhaust servo motor is no longer present?

Exhaust servo motor was deactivated in my ecu when I read it and sent to Woolich
 
Yeah loading the upmap onto a ecu should change the ETV and ignition map numbers as well. I will have to go look at the factory 13R map vs what his upmap had let ya know tonight.


Don14R said:
Mine got upmap day one 2014

If it gone back to factory for some reason wouldn’t a light have come on being that the exhaust servo motor is no longer present?

Exhaust servo motor was deactivated in my ecu when I read it and sent to Woolich
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Soooooo. Today I went out and tried to replicate what the parameters of the autotune software that are in question.. No luck. I had a bunch of ECUs a bunch of maps, and a bunch of WRL files. Didn't matter. No changes in any configuration were made to the ignition maps or ETV tables. The position Woolich has taken is quite simple. Quote, "our software does not make changes to ignition or ETV tables via auto tune. The software physically lacks the ability to do so" end quote. So on that note, I'm done with this thread. I learned absolutely nothing.

Don I sent you tracking for your cam timing tools, hope it works out. G, enjoy the lathe and watch the fingers.
 

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You learned that you gotta manually change those cells : )

Tuning is trial n error. If more than one guy is trying and sharing his results the combined effort should yield better results

Since we are talking about ETV how does changing the cells down low effect EBC?

Did anyone else notice the O.0 numbers are different in N vs 1?
 
endodoc said:
Soooooo. Today I went out and tried to replicate what the parameters of the autotune software that are in question.. No luck. I had a bunch of ECUs a bunch of maps, and a bunch of WRL files. Didn't matter. No changes in any configuration were made to the ignition maps or ETV tables. The position Woolich has taken is quite simple. Quote, "our software does not make changes to ignition or ETV tables via auto tune. The software physically lacks the ability to do so" end quote. So on that note, I'm done with this thread. I learned absolutely nothing.

Don I sent you tracking for your cam timing tools, hope it works out. G, enjoy the lathe and watch the fingers.
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You're a rockstar man... awesome set up .


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Don14R said:
You learned that you gotta manually change those cells : )

Tuning is trial n error. If more than one guy is trying and sharing his results the combined effort should yield better results

Since we are talking about ETV how does changing the cells down low effect EBC?

Did anyone else notice the O.0 numbers are different in N vs 1?
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Hey Don , did you get your 1199 Tune all dialled in ?


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