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I think to point here is you can put 30K into a Corvette and make it out perform a stock Porsche, but it will never be a Porsche, always a Chevy. Ergo no matter how much you put into a Base, it will never give you the same feeling as owning the SL.
 
Trauma said:
I think to point here is you can put 30K into a Corvette and make it out perform a stock Porsche, but it will never be a Porsche, always a Chevy. Ergo no matter how much you put into a Base, it will never give you the same feeling as owning the SL.
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But those are very different cars. What if, for argument's sake, it's between a heavily modded 911 C2S vs. a GT3 stock?




.........hm I see your point. I'd take the GT3. :D
 
Trauma said:
I think to point here is you can put 30K into a Corvette and make it out perform a stock Porsche, but it will never be a Porsche, always a Chevy. Ergo no matter how much you put into a Base, it will never give you the same feeling as owning the SL.
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Good point there and I agree. You can even make a Honda Civic into a 9 second car, but its still a Honda... and you wouldnt be able to drive it on the street. Difference is that the Ferrari or Porsche you can still drive on the street and race at the track and be ok. :cool::D
 
In terms of mods put into a base... if ultimate light weighting is your thing, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that you couldn't put together a lighter bike yourself than what the SL could be for lower money, simply due to the magnesium frame parts. You could potentially make the base very light with some more CF bits, like wheels, but you could add those to the SL too, and still be at a lower price than if you tried to get a magnesium frame made just for your base. So if ultimate light weight is your goal, the SL is the cheapest way to go...
 
Based on the statistic model I presented earlier in this thread, the SL does represent a quantifiable value over the next best Ducati offering that is not only consistent with previous Ducati flagship bikes, but even exceeds the value offered by the Desmosedici by the time it was delivered to its first owner. The algorithm factors in performance characteristics and MSRP differentials, but if you incorporate the advanced electronics package and the significantly reduced maintenance costs, the argument for the SL being a bargain (relatively speaking) becomes even more compelling.
 
Nitrouz said:
But those are very different cars. What if, for argument's sake, it's between a heavily modded 911 C2S vs. a GT3 stock?




.........hm I see your point. I'd take the GT3. :D
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I am trying to reason purchasing the SL over a highly modified base. It's hard to use Porsche as a comparison, because all models are best-of-breed in their class.

Can anyone think of a situation in autos, that you take a base version of a model line, then outfit it with some lighter parts (90% available after market), some of which give it a handful of horsepower more (i.e. rods), put on stickers, then charge over 3 times as much? There is no such animal. But people will pay it. The Desmo is not even a close comparison, totally different animal. The only one I can think of in Ducati, was the 1098R, and it was only double$, but had a completely different engine (1099).
 
trauma said:
i am trying to reason purchasing the sl over a highly modified base. It's hard to use porsche as a comparison, because all models are best-of-breed in their class.

Can anyone think of a situation in autos, that you take a base version of a model line, then outfit it with some lighter parts (90% available after market), some of which give it a handful of horsepower more (i.e. Rods), put on stickers, then charge over 3 times as much? There is no such animal. But people will pay it. The desmo is not even a close comparison, totally different animal. The only one i can think of in ducati, was the 1098r, and it was only double$, but had a completely different engine (1099).
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bmw .... ? M ?
 
What it boils down to....if you want to buy something special chances are the price will be as well. If you don't like that, just don't buy it :rolleyes::D
 
double0 said:
I don't think his point was the $$$ amount difference but more so of something costing 2 or 3 times that of a base model.
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Yes but essentially they lightened the car by roughly 8% (i think) and changed the gear box and exhaust for the $100k i think because bikes are relatively cheap to being with seeing a differential of 3X will be hard.
 
Trauma said:
I am trying to reason purchasing the SL over a highly modified base. (1099).
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what are you considering doing to your base to get it up to this spec as i think it will be hard to achieve the gains for a lot less then it will cost to purchase and then you will still be left with a stock base with lot's of bling.

I know which i would prefer
 
reganc said:
what are you considering doing to your base to get it up to this spec as i think it will be hard to achieve the gains for a lot less then it will cost to purchase and then you will still be left with a stock base with lot's of bling.

I know which i would prefer
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I have no intention of trying to get my bike to an SL, and you would have to start with an R to be fair anyway, because of the inertial engine components. The bottom line, people will buy the Sl because it's an SL, not because its a bit lighter or a few more horses than a base. It's the because that you are paying 3 times as much, not because there is bang for the buck there. :)
 
Ok..My point about the SL is this....its not worth a $46000 premium over a base

Ohlins FGRT $2800
TTX du930 $1500
Install/Set up $500
Ohlins Steering damper $350
Power commander $300
Tune $1000
DP Carbon $3300
Akra pipe $3450
RearsetS $1200
Race Seat $250

This adds up to $14650 (Very approx) ..add a brand new base at $19000 ... $33650.... Don't get me wrong.... I am not proposing to do this...But my point is that its possible..for half the price to make a bike that too all intents and purposes is the equal of the SL...For half the price... If the specs of the SL was the R ..then it makes more sense..Retail at $30000... Great deal.... But...To me... totally subjectively...its not worth it....
 
I think a lot of people are missing the point of this bike. Yes the performance is unsurpassed by any other STOCK street bike. Yes it's an engineering breakthrough. Yes it's fast and light. Yes it is a technological masterpiece.

But most importantly, it's exclusive. It sells to egos. Whether you like it or not, that's where the bulk of the pricing structure is aimed towards. That's why we have Ferrari's and Lamborghini's in this world. Hell, that's why there are Ducati's in the world.
 
Stw said:
Ok..My point about the SL is this....its not worth a $46000 premium over a base

Ohlins FGRT $2800
TTX du930 $1500
Install/Set up $500
Ohlins Steering damper $350
Power commander $300
Tune $1000
DP Carbon $3300
Akra pipe $3450
RearsetS $1200
Race Seat $250

This adds up to $14650 (Very approx) ..add a brand new base at $19000 ... $33650.... Don't get me wrong.... I am not proposing to do this...But my point is that its possible..for half the price to make a bike that too all intents and purposes is the equal of the SL...For half the price... If the specs of the SL was the R ..then it makes more sense..Retail at $30000... Great deal.... But...To me... totally subjectively...its not worth it....
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There's so much more missing on this list to even be close to an SL though. Forks are not the same as the fgrt203's. It's more of a wsbk spec ohlins fork which is more $$. The mag wheels are about $4k. Engine internals are gawd knows how much. Isn't the whole fairing made of carbon? Subframe as well?

$65k to dish out for a motorcycle is a lot. When taking into consideration the actual components put into this build, even if anyone was crazy enough to try n duplicate this build would easily realize that they would come very close to the price of an SL or maybe even surpass that point. Buying this from a dealer gives you a couple of advantages...

1) No headaches during the process of such a wild build and all the hick-ups one may encounter during the process. Perfect example here is Kope and his 1 off R. We can only imagine how much $$ he has put into his ridiculous build.

2) Factory warranty. If anyone was silly enough to attempt such a build, they would instantly void any warranty left by doing engine internal mods. At least with the SL you will have some kinda peace of mind for two years and not to mention the maintenance costs of the SL can't be any different than our current pani models unlike the outrageous costs n wait times for parts on the desmo.

These two important factors makes the SL a value in itself...for those that have the coin to dish out.
 

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