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bradp51 said:
Not sure where the perceived bit comes from. I would say owning one of the limited 500 counts as exclusive in my dictionary.
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Sure.. but if you were to ask my wife or any one of her friends. None of them could tell you why my S was only $36K and the SL is $65K. (or whatever it will be in AUD)
In fact I'm pretty sure that they'll all say the S was a better looking bike too. Outside of the colour scheme and decals, they'd think it's the same same.

Whereas pretty much everyone I know would know that an Audi R8 is something spesh.

Motorcycles are not a universally valuable commodity, they don't even come close to cars, let alone anything else.. If I took the Ducati decals off my bike, I doubt anyone in my office could tell the difference between my 1199 vs a red Honda CBR1000RR or a Red Ninja 1000

In my books, the word exclusivity implies something that is universally valuable and also rare (limited numbers).

Know what I mean jelly bean.:D;)
 
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littlejohn said:
Sure.. but if you were to ask my wife or any one of her friends. None of them could tell you why my S was only $36K and the SL is $65K. (or whatever it will be in AUD)
In fact I'm pretty sure that they's all say the S was a better looking bike too.

Where as a kg of gold will or a $100 note will be worth the same no matter who you talk to. ;)

Know what I mean jelly bean.:D;)
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:) Since a $100 note is just debt paper, and not backed by gold or silver standard since 1928, I would just take the GOLD!!!!!
 
littlejohn said:
Sure.. but if you were to ask my wife or any one of her friends. None of them could tell you why my S was only $36K and the SL is $65K. (or whatever it will be in AUD)
In fact I'm pretty sure that they'll all say the S was a better looking bike too. Outside of the colour scheme and decals, they'd think it's the same same.

Whereas pretty much everyone I know would know that an Audi R8 is something spesh.

Motorcycles are not a universally valuable commodity, they don't even come close to cars, let alone anything else.. If I took the Ducati decals off my bike, I doubt anyone in my office could tell the difference between my 1199 vs a red Honda CBR1000RR or a Red Ninja 1000

In my books, the word exclusivity implies something that is universally valuable and also rare (limited numbers).

Know what I mean jelly bean.:D;)
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well its certainly got the limited numbers bit so that by definition makes it exclusive ( and I don,t think your wife will be around to ask :D)
 
Stw said:
Ok..My point about the SL is this....its not worth a $46000 premium over a base

Ohlins FGRT $2800
TTX du930 $1500
Install/Set up $500
Ohlins Steering damper $350
Power commander $300
Tune $1000
DP Carbon $3300
Akra pipe $3450
RearsetS $1200
Race Seat $250

This adds up to $14650 (Very approx) ..add a brand new base at $19000 ... $33650.... Don't get me wrong.... I am not proposing to do this...But my point is that its possible..for half the price to make a bike that too all intents and purposes is the equal of the SL...For half the price... If the specs of the SL was the R ..then it makes more sense..Retail at $30000... Great deal.... But...To me... totally subjectively...its not worth it....
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Just on what you have listed, for the SL the forks cost more, there isn't a "power Commander" and the electronics that maybe you are referring to are WELL beyond that cost. And, you cannot get the features of the new electronics in a PC... I have yet to get the part number, but the shock is also different. This isn't a MKII rear shock... The Akra is also more expensive as it is a different system and is actually a bit better than the one you can buy. Also is setup with Akras for street with competition mufflers in the crate.

You forget the Mag frame piece which was mentioned and of course the full carbon subframe and the carbon bodywork that is by no means like anything on the market. I've personally seen the OPP stuff which is beautiful, but this stuff as seen in person is so much better. The $3300 you have listed for the DP Carbon isn't covering the items like I mentioned. I can promise that subframe is close to $10k. Price a Carbon tail section and get back to me. This is going to be more...

The point is also that as mentioned by the other guys is the motor internals.

I understand your base of thought and it makes sense. It's just that the components on this thing are so upper shelf and VERY exotic and cost a lot.

You can take a VW Beetle and put on a Ferrari body kit. It still isn't a Ferrari... A lot cheaper, but not real.

Maybe a rough comparison...

One thing nobody seems to see is that this is also 8 lbs lighter than the WSBK when you remove the lights and mirrors... If that doesn't reach you, then move along... ;)

But, I do see where people have the idea that they can just pimp out their S models and even Standards. But the components alone make this thing worth the price. That's before you even discuss how they take an already potent motor and make it even more bad ass...
 
Stw said:
Ok..My point about the SL is this....its not worth a $46000 premium over a base

Ohlins FGRT $2800
TTX du930 $1500
Install/Set up $500
Ohlins Steering damper $350
Power commander $300
Tune $1000
DP Carbon $3300
Akra pipe $3450
RearsetS $1200
Race Seat $250

This adds up to $14650 (Very approx) ..add a brand new base at $19000 ... $33650.... Don't get me wrong.... I am not proposing to do this...But my point is that its possible..for half the price to make a bike that too all intents and purposes is the equal of the SL...For half the price... If the specs of the SL was the R ..then it makes more sense..Retail at $30000... Great deal.... But...To me... totally subjectively...its not worth it....
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"there you go again"....a classic apples/oranges debate - at this point you need to own one - you'll be pleasantly surprised ! :)
 
RD16RR said:
"there you go again"....a classic apples/oranges debate - at this point you need to own one - you'll be pleasantly surprised ! :)
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I always said my views were entirely subjective..:) but you miss my point I think..I am in no way saying that a modded base is the same as an SL....My point is that if you modify a base as listed... Admittedly I omitted the mag wheels... then take these 2 bikes to the track..then for 95+% of people they will be equivalent...... if you are a top 5% rider the SL will be quicker...but to most they will be the same.... this is my point...;)
 
K3yra7 said:
Spoken like a true biased American pumping up the local auto industry. It would be unpatriotic to state otherwise.
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I work for a German company....

Anyone can read consumer reports or JD power or whatever source you want that will tell you Ford's reliability is currently higher than Audi's, you don't have to take my word for it
 
Stw said:
I always said my views were entirely subjective..:) but you miss my point I think..I am in no way saying that a modded base is the same as an SL....My point is that if you modify a base as listed... Admittedly I omitted the mag wheels... then take these 2 bikes to the track..then for 95+% of people they will be equivalent...... if you are a top 5% rider the SL will be quicker...but to most they will be the same.... this is my point...;)
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LOL's ok...well...i see & understand your point.....mine is: you'll be on "that" and i'd be on the "SL" :) - thats all i'm sayin' :D
 
Stw said:
I always said my views were entirely subjective..:) but you miss my point I think..I am in no way saying that a modded base is the same as an SL....My point is that if you modify a base as listed... Admittedly I omitted the mag wheels... then take these 2 bikes to the track..then for 95+% of people they will be equivalent...... if you are a top 5% rider the SL will be quicker...but to most they will be the same.... this is my point...;)
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I'm lost as to your point so it's not the cost you have an issue with??

Or is it the fact that with your mods you have a quick track bike that will be have almost the same performance as the SL but a the end of the day you still have a base or whoever bike you have but not an SL.

and on being faster if i take out a motogp bike i guarantee you will be slower around the track then on any of my bikes simply because i am not good enough rider to reach it's potential however i'm still going to buy one if my numbers come up on the power ball.:)
 
reganc said:
I'm lost as to your point so it's not the cost you have an issue with??

Or is it the fact that with your mods you have a quick track bike that will be have almost the same performance as the SL but a the end of the day you still have a base or whoever bike you have but not an SL.

and on being faster if i take out a motogp bike i guarantee you will be slower around the track then on any of my bikes simply because i am not good enough rider to reach it's potential however i'm still going to buy one if my numbers come up on the power ball.:)
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My point is this..To all intents and purposes I can build an equivalent bike for half the price.... The fancy unobtanium stuff isnt going to make a difference to my speed...:cool:
 
RD16RR said:
LOL's ok...well...i see & understand your point.....mine is: you'll be on "that" and i'd be on the "SL" :) - thats all i'm sayin' :D
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Well that's an unarguable point...:p..But I will have $30000 in my pocket too... and at the end I can remove all those add ons and resell them ... Ohlins will resell for around 80% of original price... Akra?? Who knows... so even if we disagree..and we do;)... I hope you can see "some logic" in my viewpoint??:p
 
Stw said:
Well that's an unarguable point...:p..But I will have $30000 in my pocket too... and at the end I can remove all those add ons and resell them ... Ohlins will resell for around 80% of original price... Akra?? Who knows... so even if we disagree..and we do;)... I hope you can see "some logic" in my viewpoint??:p
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....LOL's now thats a good one......"logic"......you're riding a Ducati, and want to discuss logic...try going to Germany, buy a BMW, and look into Kant or Nietzsche....leave the Italian bikes for the rest of us :)
 
RD16RR said:
....LOL's now thats a good one......"logic"......you're riding a Ducati, and want to discuss logic...try going to Germany, buy a BMW, and look into Kant or Nietzsche....leave the Italian bikes for the rest of us :)
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You make a good point...Kant is a little weird for me though.... Hume is more style... being the skeptic I am:D
 
Amazing piece and so happy that Ducati brings such items to market. Even if i can't currently justify the price. The simple fact that comes to market, means it will quickly trickle down to the other models.

Lighter weight sounds fantastic. The fact that it comes ready for the street or track is also fantastic.

The only piece I'm jealous of is the Wheelie Control. You can review my posts from early on this forum and see that is the piece I so dearly wanted. Light weight, high HP, short wheelbase = hard to keep the front end down. Seems like all the potential was there to add it to all the 1199's.

I'm currently converting my base (ABS) to track and race only as I felt is was way to fast for the street. DWC would be so welcome. I hope there is some way it can be added.

Go Ducati.

Now, I do believe you will see Honda offer the V4 for a similar price here in the USA. I suspect the Honda will not be as pretty, but likely to more reliable. Frankly, I get treated so well at my Ducati dealer, I might still choose the Ducati if I had the choice.
 
Stw said:
My point is this..To all intents and purposes I can build an equivalent bike for half the price.... The fancy unobtanium stuff isnt going to make a difference to my speed...:cool:
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are you sure you don't own a Jap bike as that's the argument they come up with all the time
 
reganc said:
are you sure you don't own a Jap bike as that's the argument they come up with all the time
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:cool: I know what I own...Do you??...and FYI....the Japanese make very good bikes..ZX10 for example...
 
rd16rr said:
....actually i prefer the zx6......"who needs more than 100+hp anyway" :rolleyes:
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