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TricoloreSF said:
Zx6's?!...that's still plenty for the road. I have a blast on my 60hp MotoGuzzi on the street.;)
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I had a zx6e that was fun and comfy for long trips. But it was no 848 ;) and you surely don't get that .... eatin grin the 1199 gives you


My best friend rides a Guzzi, I don't care what anyone rides if your not on your A game you play hell keeping up with him in the tight stuff. That's one hell of a sweet handling motorcycle.


Now that I have the 1199 he's adding a new gsxr1000 to his stable just so I don't walk away from him in the high speed stuff.
 
Hex said:
STW, I hear what you are saying man, but this bike will make you or anyone faster around a track vs. a heavily modified base. The electronics package on the SL alone will enable anyone to access more of this bike's potential vs. whatever electronics you put on a heavily modified base. The base will ultimately be harder in terms of accessing its potential vs the sophisticated SL. And, the modified base will be sitting at the side of the track broken if you try to keep the SL in sight for any length of time. The SL's parts and technology working together make it exponentially better in terms of performance and accessibility than any base modified to any level.
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OMG!!!! you drink the ducati kool-aid LOL:eek:
 
Hex said:
STW, I hear what you are saying man, but this bike will make you or anyone faster around a track vs. a heavily modified base. The electronics package on the SL alone will enable anyone to access more of this bike's potential vs. whatever electronics you put on a heavily modified base. The base will ultimately be harder in terms of accessing its potential vs the sophisticated SL. And, the modified base will be sitting at the side of the track broken if you try to keep the SL in sight for any length of time. The SL's parts and technology working together make it exponentially better in terms of performance and accessibility than any base modified to any level.
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Ahhhh man ..... I don't know where to start..... First off as steve/stw said in his earlier post unless your in the top 5% percentile or lets just say if it's stoner and Marquez going at it on a base and sl then there will be a slight notice ... No he won't lap him can be less then a second or more but hey not 65grand faster !!! Now lets say you were double hex and you and your double start at the track together against the sl and base your time will be very close or identical based on your skill only !


And for people shitting on others for buying a 65k bike let them be!!! People buy a Rolex submariner and they are not divers !!! Breitling and they are not pilots !!! Nissan gtr's and they are not racers !!! Can anyone just enjoy their .... without all you financial advisors and accountants .... Kope I don't know how fast you are but not sure if 10 unicorns can help us ... Imma lose 10lbs first .... Tom I'm buying a gtr a sl and a desmosedici and in the words of the wise kanye west : YOU CAN'T TELL ME NOTHING !!!!
 
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quackquack said:
Ahhhh man ..... I don't know where to start..... First off as steve/stw said in his earlier post unless your in the top 5% percentile or lets just say if it's stoner and Marquez going at it on a base and sl then there will be a slight notice ... No he won't lap him can be less then a second or more but hey not 65grand faster !!! Now lets say you were double hex and you and your double start at the track together against the sl and base your time will be very close or identical based on your skill only !


And for people shitting on others for buying a 65k bike let them be!!! People buy a Rolex submariner and they are not divers !!! Breitling and they are not pilots !!! Nissan the's and they are not racers !!! Can anyone just enjoy they're .... without all you financial advisors and accountants .... Kope I don't know how fast you are but not sure if 10 unicorns can help us ... Imma lose 10lbs first .... Tom I'm buying a gtr a sl and a desmisedici and in the words of the wise kanye west : YOU CAN'T TELL ME NOTHING !!!!
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their ....:)
 
lap times

There is no cool aid involved. Do I love Ducati's? You bet. However, I have owned and ridden many superbikes in my forty plus years of riding and in the early years they were mostly from Japan. So I love a good sportbike regardless of where it's made. I understand what some of you guys are saying about lap times being fairly close with an equal rider on the base and the SL, but I think that for various reasons, you are underestimating the bikes potential as a factory package. The Ducati test rider set an amazing time around Mugello, one he could never approach on a base. Now, you may not beleive this claim made by Ducati and that's fine but if its true, its the first evidence supporting what I am saying. We have no outside data to go on yet but its pretty clear that this bike is something really special. It's far from the parts bin exercise many guys are trying to characterize it as. I beleive, and you guys will be able to say so later if I'm wrong, that when the magazines test this bike they will be blown away and they will add credibillity to what I am saying now. Think about this; how much faster is a world superbike vs. a world superstock bike? Come on guys. The lightness of the package, the turn in with the higher level suspension and the superlight wheels, the acceleration from the increased power and lighter weight, not to mention the deceleration from the lighter weight, which is as improtant as acceleration in my opinion, the race spec electronics, it goes on and on. Anyway, I acknowledge we really don't know yet, so none of us can say unequivocally, but I am very optimistic. I respect your opinions guys, I am just saying that I think there is some underestimation going on in terms of this bikes potential.
 
^ you re correct on 1 stance only.... a professional rider.... take an average rider.. whos abilities are just that average.. that means that they are NOT taking full advantage of the bikes potential.. that person has not gained the skills to use 20 lbs lighter or 15 extra hp... they will still ride the way they ride.. they wont know how to adjust their style to the little nuances of the superior bike. you cant argue they will they will magically gain the skills needed to take advantage of the bike... so honestly a average rider on a 1199 base and on a SL will be similar! NOW that being said a professional rider that understand and can adapt riding styles for different bikes and that are honestly using said bike to its max potential will be able to take big gains based on the bikes abilities... to slow it down some.. when your average the rider is the limitation when your rossi/marquez/stoner whomever pick your poison then the bike is the limitation. do I need to explain further for the slow ones? :)
 
Two points here....

Firstly I am saying that for just about every rider out there ... the SL will not be quicker vs any other 1199... No doubts any track star rider will be ...but not the likes of me...


Secondly vis a vis the magazine reviews..well heres my prediction...the first reviews will be stellar and they will say (Asphalt& Rubber perhaps) that the bike is awesome and worth every penny.....Then we will have a shoot out report a few months later and the SL will be tested against the HP4 and what else I am not clear...but anyway the results of that will not be such a clear cut decision and it may not even win.....


My point all along is that the SL is not a paradigm shift many here seem to think it is...or that the price suggests it should be...but this is simply my totally subjective personal opinion...and its worth exactly what you paid for it...
 
should be interesting

STW, I respect your opinion man, and I will not say you are wrong about anything you said. As you know I see it differently, and I sure am hoping I am right. One things for sure, this bike sure has a lot of people's attention. I look forward to the real world data.
 
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It'll "look" faster than my R in my living room for the winter..... In the summer it'll most likely be slower because I'd be more hesitant to crash it...
 
TwiztedRabbit said:
^ most of the club racers I know and even the stupid fast ones don't go with the RS, Base, and S is what most of them have..
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because you will have more fun in a SV than a panigale nobody is traying to race you to proof that you pay too much. I got couple 1000cc bike that i use to take to the track and couple month ago I got a aprillia rs 250 and be to honest I have more fun at the track with that bike than my panigale
 
esmirna8261980 said:
ok let be clear the SL is an amazing bike it something that you can brag about but just like the Desmo it a living room decoration just like the MV CC, 90% of the people will buy just because they can which is good.but just like the Desmo's guys they will take to the track sometimes and the guy with the r6 will lap the .... out them.Why? simple they guy in the desmo knows that if he drop that ....... bike it going to cost a .... lot of money to fix it and everybody knows that the last .... you need to think when you are at the track is what is going to happen if i drop a $65k bike? everybody know the Ducati sales are down and the SL is a quick way to bump sale let see
$65,000 x 500 = 32,500,00
so Ducati only need 500 of your filthy rich mother ...... (I wish I can be one) to bump they sale if you think this is ........ it will take ducati 1,413 panigale s to make that money.
and please stop saying that you got it to race because if you are a real racer you will get the RS
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No need to be so angry.....it's Sunday......
 
Seems like a marketing scheme to take advantage of the halo effect.

It should serve as a catalyst to generate more interest in Ducatis Panigale line and if it gets positive press it will generate interest right across their whole line. Good halo products are made out of unobtanium. That way even if the package isnt a hero by the time everyone finds out the next product will be coming down the line.
 
The emotions presented on this thread are very interesting.

I wonder if those taking the most extreme positions on this machine (for or against) are experiencing some form of synthetic happiness. Check out the following TED Talk on the subject, it may prove enlightening: Dan Gilbert: The surprising science of happiness - YouTube

As far my opinion goes, I'm definitely voting with my wallet (I am confirmed, with 20% already down), so take whatever I say with a grain of salt (especially given the above talk):
  • The SL represents a pinnacle of engineering. It really is (to me) an example of the engineers asking "what if?". As a result, nothing was spared. Is it radically new and different? Nope. That could certainly be risky in terms of tested performance or ease of maintenance (but they did it anyway with the Desmo). No, this is something else, an evolution of the 1199 line where the goal was to make every component just a little better. The result should be predictable and outstanding performance. As an engineer (albeit software in my case) and a general enthusiast, I love when companies do things like this. It raises the bar and ultimately everyone eventually benefits.
  • The materials used in the SL are why it costs so damned much. It will cost more to do this yourself as a one-off (say, starting the base model and working up), particularly the magnesium frame. Low production runs usually have lower yields and that further drives up cost.
  • There is a huge difference between adding ponies, or taking away pounds. Given the same power:weight ratio, the lighter bike is going to outperform on braking and is likely to be quicker to turn, etc.
  • Performance is not just measured in lap times. Sure, many people here won't be able to get competitive lap times just because they are on a top-notch bike - but it doesn't mean their own numbers won't improve compared to being on other bikes. Think about our ultimate wish-list of performance characteristics: smooth power curve (predictable), always torque when you need it, short breaking, quick turning, great feel (stable and communicative). These things contribute to better lap times, but make riding all the more amazing no matter what you are clocking.
  • It is completely unnecessary. You know what else is? Your bike. Or any other bike with 200 horses. So if we can all agree that we reserve the right to fold in insanely-over-the-top performance even when completely unnecessary (especially for public roads), then consider this an experiment to see how far you can take it. We're just quibbling over shades of gray at some point.
  • The whole is worth more than the sum of the parts. As someone who loves to modify and tweak and squeeze out every bit of performance, every time we mechanically (or electrically, etc) modify our machines, we are reducing mean-time-between-failure. We do it anyway: that pursuit of perfection is worth the tax of a finicky machine. Imagine if a bike just came "done". Everything was done, by design, from the beginning, at the factory. I may be deluding myself here, because surely I'll find something to do upon receipt, but this certainly is as close to done as it gets off the factory floor.
  • There is non-linear scale in the top X%. That is to say, you can really far, really fast, really cheap (any Japanese bike compared to Ducati, BMW, MV), but pushing the bleeding edge is exponentially more expensive. Every extra horsepower, or every saved gram on a MotoGP bike is where the money is being spent.

Anyway, it's not for everyone. It's hard to justify a cost like this when you think of what you could get instead. It's not going to make you happy if you are not already happy. It's not going to make your dick bigger, and not having it isn't going to make it smaller either. It's just a great result of pushing the limits, and I hope it lives up to the hype.
 
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