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Two points here....

Firstly I am saying that for just about every rider out there ... the SL will not be quicker vs any other 1199... No doubts any track star rider will be ...but not the likes of me...


Secondly vis a vis the magazine reviews..well heres my prediction...the first reviews will be stellar and they will say (Asphalt& Rubber perhaps) that the bike is awesome and worth every penny.....Then we will have a shoot out report a few months later and the SL will be tested against the HP4 and what else I am not clear...but anyway the results of that will not be such a clear cut decision and it may not even win.....


My point all along is that the SL is not a paradigm shift many here seem to think it is...or that the price suggests it should be...but this is simply my totally subjective personal opinion...and its worth exactly what you paid for it...
 
should be interesting

STW, I respect your opinion man, and I will not say you are wrong about anything you said. As you know I see it differently, and I sure am hoping I am right. One things for sure, this bike sure has a lot of people's attention. I look forward to the real world data.
 
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It'll "look" faster than my R in my living room for the winter..... In the summer it'll most likely be slower because I'd be more hesitant to crash it...
 
ok let be clear the SL is an amazing bike it something that you can brag about but just like the Desmo it a living room decoration just like the MV CC, 90% of the people will buy just because they can which is good.but just like the Desmo's guys they will take to the track sometimes and the guy with the r6 will lap the .... out them.Why? simple they guy in the desmo knows that if he drop that ....... bike it going to cost a .... lot of money to fix it and everybody knows that the last .... you need to think when you are at the track is what is going to happen if i drop a $65k bike? everybody know the Ducati sales are down and the SL is a quick way to bump sale let see
$65,000 x 500 = 32,500,00
so Ducati only need 500 of your filthy rich mother ...... (I wish I can be one) to bump they sale if you think this is ........ it will take ducati 1,413 panigale s to make that money.
and please stop saying that you got it to race because if you are a real racer you will get the RS
 
TwiztedRabbit said:
^ most of the club racers I know and even the stupid fast ones don't go with the RS, Base, and S is what most of them have..
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because you will have more fun in a SV than a panigale nobody is traying to race you to proof that you pay too much. I got couple 1000cc bike that i use to take to the track and couple month ago I got a aprillia rs 250 and be to honest I have more fun at the track with that bike than my panigale
 
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ok let be clear the SL is an amazing bike it something that you can brag about but just like the Desmo it a living room decoration just like the MV CC, 90% of the people will buy just because they can which is good.but just like the Desmo's guys they will take to the track sometimes and the guy with the r6 will lap the .... out them.Why? simple they guy in the desmo knows that if he drop that ....... bike it going to cost a .... lot of money to fix it and everybody knows that the last .... you need to think when you are at the track is what is going to happen if i drop a $65k bike? everybody know the Ducati sales are down and the SL is a quick way to bump sale let see
$65,000 x 500 = 32,500,00
so Ducati only need 500 of your filthy rich mother ...... (I wish I can be one) to bump they sale if you think this is ........ it will take ducati 1,413 panigale s to make that money.
and please stop saying that you got it to race because if you are a real racer you will get the RS
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No need to be so angry.....it's Sunday......
 
Seems like a marketing scheme to take advantage of the halo effect.

It should serve as a catalyst to generate more interest in Ducatis Panigale line and if it gets positive press it will generate interest right across their whole line. Good halo products are made out of unobtanium. That way even if the package isnt a hero by the time everyone finds out the next product will be coming down the line.
 
The emotions presented on this thread are very interesting.

I wonder if those taking the most extreme positions on this machine (for or against) are experiencing some form of synthetic happiness. Check out the following TED Talk on the subject, it may prove enlightening: Dan Gilbert: The surprising science of happiness - YouTube

As far my opinion goes, I'm definitely voting with my wallet (I am confirmed, with 20% already down), so take whatever I say with a grain of salt (especially given the above talk):
  • The SL represents a pinnacle of engineering. It really is (to me) an example of the engineers asking "what if?". As a result, nothing was spared. Is it radically new and different? Nope. That could certainly be risky in terms of tested performance or ease of maintenance (but they did it anyway with the Desmo). No, this is something else, an evolution of the 1199 line where the goal was to make every component just a little better. The result should be predictable and outstanding performance. As an engineer (albeit software in my case) and a general enthusiast, I love when companies do things like this. It raises the bar and ultimately everyone eventually benefits.
  • The materials used in the SL are why it costs so damned much. It will cost more to do this yourself as a one-off (say, starting the base model and working up), particularly the magnesium frame. Low production runs usually have lower yields and that further drives up cost.
  • There is a huge difference between adding ponies, or taking away pounds. Given the same power:weight ratio, the lighter bike is going to outperform on braking and is likely to be quicker to turn, etc.
  • Performance is not just measured in lap times. Sure, many people here won't be able to get competitive lap times just because they are on a top-notch bike - but it doesn't mean their own numbers won't improve compared to being on other bikes. Think about our ultimate wish-list of performance characteristics: smooth power curve (predictable), always torque when you need it, short breaking, quick turning, great feel (stable and communicative). These things contribute to better lap times, but make riding all the more amazing no matter what you are clocking.
  • It is completely unnecessary. You know what else is? Your bike. Or any other bike with 200 horses. So if we can all agree that we reserve the right to fold in insanely-over-the-top performance even when completely unnecessary (especially for public roads), then consider this an experiment to see how far you can take it. We're just quibbling over shades of gray at some point.
  • The whole is worth more than the sum of the parts. As someone who loves to modify and tweak and squeeze out every bit of performance, every time we mechanically (or electrically, etc) modify our machines, we are reducing mean-time-between-failure. We do it anyway: that pursuit of perfection is worth the tax of a finicky machine. Imagine if a bike just came "done". Everything was done, by design, from the beginning, at the factory. I may be deluding myself here, because surely I'll find something to do upon receipt, but this certainly is as close to done as it gets off the factory floor.
  • There is non-linear scale in the top X%. That is to say, you can really far, really fast, really cheap (any Japanese bike compared to Ducati, BMW, MV), but pushing the bleeding edge is exponentially more expensive. Every extra horsepower, or every saved gram on a MotoGP bike is where the money is being spent.

Anyway, it's not for everyone. It's hard to justify a cost like this when you think of what you could get instead. It's not going to make you happy if you are not already happy. It's not going to make your dick bigger, and not having it isn't going to make it smaller either. It's just a great result of pushing the limits, and I hope it lives up to the hype.
 
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As far my opinion goes, I'm definitely voting with my wallet (I am confirmed, with 20% already down), so take whatever I say with a grain of salt (especially given the above talk):
  • The SL represents a pinnacle of engineering. It really is (to me) an example of the engineers asking "what if?". As a result, nothing was spared. Is it radically new and different? Nope. That could certainly be risky in terms of tested performance or ease of maintenance (but they did it anyway with the Desmo). No, this is something else, an evolution of the 1199 line where the goal was to make every component just a little better. The result should be predictable and outstanding performance. As an engineer (albeit software in my case) and a general enthusiast, I love when companies do things like this. It raises the bar and ultimately everyone eventually benefits.
  • The materials used in the SL are why it costs so damned much. It will cost more to do this yourself as a one-off (say, starting the base model and working up), particularly the magnesium frame. Low production runs usually have lower yields and that further drives up cost.
  • There is a huge difference between adding ponies, or taking away pounds. Given the same power:weight ratio, the lighter bike is going to outperform on braking and is likely to be quicker to turn, etc.
  • Performance is not just measured in lap times. Sure, many people here won't be able to get competitive lap times just because they are on a top-notch bike - but it doesn't mean their own numbers won't improve compared to being on other bikes. Think about our ultimate wish-list of performance characteristics: smooth power curve (predictable), always torque when you need it, short breaking, quick turning, great feel (stable and communicative). These things contribute to better lap times, but make riding all the more amazing no matter what you are clocking.
  • It is completely unnecessary. You know what else is? Your bike. Or any other bike with 200 horses. So if we can all agree that we reserve the right to fold in insanely-over-the-top performance even when completely unnecessary (especially for public roads), then consider this an experiment to see how far you can take it. We're just quibbling over shades of gray at some point.
  • The whole is worth more than the sum of the parts. As someone who loves to modify and tweak and squeeze out every bit of performance, every time we mechanically (or electrically, etc) modify our machines, we are reducing mean-time-between-failure. We do it anyway: that pursuit of perfection is worth the tax of a finicky machine. Imagine if a bike just came "done". Everything was done, by design, from the beginning, at the factory. I may be deluding myself here, because surely I'll find something to do upon receipt, but this certainly is as close to done as it gets off the factory floor.
  • There is non-linear scale in the top X%. That is to say, you can really far, really fast, really cheap (any Japanese bike compared to Ducati, BMW, MV), but pushing the bleeding edge is exponentially more expensive. Every extra horsepower, or every saved gram on a MotoGP bike is where the money is being spent.

Anyway, it's not for everyone. It's hard to justify a cost like this when you think of what you could get instead. It's not going to make you happy if you are not already happy. It's not going to make your dick bigger, and not having it isn't going to make it smaller either. It's just a great result of pushing the limits, and I hope it lives up to the hype.
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Couldn't have said it better myself, Jello. The only thing I would add, is that numbers don't even tell the whole story with this bike, the same way they don't with the D16RR. It's not just the level of performance (although that is incredible), but also the way in which its performance is made/delivered, due to the radically lightened internals, drivetrain, etc. Its character is truly something special, as you'll see.

The Superleggera is intended for people like you. I hope you enjoy it.
 

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