2013 1199R track bike project

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All that money spent and you didn't get new knee pucks?! :) Nice work

I am building out a 1199R for Superstock racing in WERA/AMA here in the USA.

I'll have Ducati Corse bodywork on it with all the parts possible to make it legal for the classes in which I am racing.

I also ordered the LONG manifold - it apparently adds 12-15 hp at the wheel from 6,000 to red line. Can't wait!
 
stunning Kope, just stunning!

maybe just maybe like i said in other post, a little 1199 logo on tail a la the 851/888s?


i award you the prize for most tasteful 1199 build to date!
 
VAST said:
stunning Kope, just stunning!

maybe just maybe like i said in other post, a little 1199 logo on tail a la the 851/888s?


i award you the prize for most tasteful 1199 build to date!
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it was in the planning as i even had the stickers made but i can't seem to find the rigth spot on this bike... it is so much nimbler and the number seems to meddle it all up... the jury is still out... i guess i'll just refine the colorsetting of rear so it completes the front in the best manner... :)
 
Looks amazing kope and even better that its dynamics can surpass :)

I have a sickness for filler caps though .... please can you tell me about the item you fitted!
 
the cap is a RS style cap from a limited production run .. i got it with the forks... Corse sell these for 860 euro's.. i love the machining and color scheme that came as 'tailor made' ... :)
 
kope - a precaution when you tune. There is a slight difference in either the R (or more likely the 13 models) with the dash and ECU. Some sort of interlinked mechanism that affects some tuning, so just be aware. This did not exist in the '12 models - which is why when you replaced the dash in the previous model the odometer would reset. Not so anymore in the new dash unit. There are some differences in the ecu so your tuner has to be cognizant of that.
 
anthem said:
kope - a precaution when you tune. There is a slight difference in either the R (or more likely the 13 models) with the dash and ECU. Some sort of interlinked mechanism that affects some tuning, so just be aware. This did not exist in the '12 models - which is why when you replaced the dash in the previous model the odometer would reset. Not so anymore in the new dash unit. There are some differences in the ecu so your tuner has to be cognizant of that.
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it will be done by a D dealer... i hope he knows :)
 
roadracerx said:
All that money spent and you didn't get new knee pucks?! :) Nice work

I am building out a 1199R for Superstock racing in WERA/AMA here in the USA.

I'll have Ducati Corse bodywork on it with all the parts possible to make it legal for the classes in which I am racing.

I also ordered the LONG manifold - it apparently adds 12-15 hp at the wheel from 6,000 to red line. Can't wait!
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it's what i plan to do but once you do it, the maintenance schedule changes dramatically and the warranty becomes void.. i hope to get it to 200rwbhp at 11.5k revs with some better breathing and a good map.. i'm thinking of pumping her up to that level and then lower the rev limiter as i won't be needing all that top end on my track excursions :)

i'f seen the Pro manifold graph and indeed it does jump quit a bit as of 6K which is the territory starts, so it must be a very good thing.. it's on the 'nice to have' list though..... but budget 2014... piggy is squeeling for the moment ! :)
 
I ordered that pipe a few months back but then decided against it. It has pretty substantial gains from 7k to 10k and then it's even from there to redline (at least per Ducati). I wasn't worried about the track only (fan removal) aspect of the bike, but that whatever gains from 7k onwards, it lost from 3-7k (dropped 20hp vs 20hp gain depending upon area under the curve. Ideally you obviously want the power in the area you need it most - I'm just not sure thats where i need it most.
 
Koen: Do you have any plans for Festival italia or Biketober with Art Motor on Oschersleben in Germany ??

I'm going - and it could be nice to meet up :D
 
Anthem : The Pro is the Supoerstock race pipe so they hardly hit below 7K .. for us mere mortals, that is pritty high rev range.. For me the jury is out to... i'm focussing on a race radiator now... and trying to shield the oilcooler ...


Bow, I'll check it out but it seems like i'll be doing Germany next year.. i try to do a major track per month and already have Assen, Donington, Cadwell, Brands HAtch, Le Mans, Mugello and Bracelone on the books this year... :) it sure would be nice to meet up! i just had a great weekend at Assen clubraces where we met up with some MS members from Lixemburg and Germany .. :)
 
So far everything has been a doddle ... up till today...
Had booked 2 days in Assen of which I had hoped for at least 6 sessions dry. As many know Assen is a oh so wonderfull track. Less sweeping and ultra highspeed as Francorchamps but with a name like the cathedral of speed, not exactly a Micky Mouse track… 
So of we went for two dryish and cold sessions with loads of particiapants crashing out ( at least 1 and up to three per session). Gino Rea from Moto 2 GP class was training and went down in his first lap out, just to say...
Then just when I was geared up and ready to go for a smooth ride and some feeling planned with an increased DTC setting, daown cam just enough rain to spoil it all… so down went the afternoon sessions… grrr…
But no harm done, today remained cool but dryish in the morning and the dat looked promissing . Day two saw an increase from first timers and as I had put myself in group 3, the plentiful first timers spilled over in that group. Just to indicate that there were plenty riders riding 3 abreast and I feared the tires cooling down in the 13 °c.. then one even crashed on a bad spot and the session was red flagged.. so 2 session down the day, no decent flowing lap was done… the 2:04 from session 1 from the day before still stood..
The organistion was so kind to let me move up a group and I really looked forward to the afternoon. Under a faint sunshine, the temps went up to the 19°c and all looked swell.. tires very warm, fuelled up, focussed on the task ahead and then : she wouldn’t start. Outdoing myself going through the motions I just learned, that was the final verdict.. decoupling the battery, putting her onto a loader, checking the loom, and the bypasses from clutch and sidestand, she would lit up, go over with vigour but no ignition.
In the meantime, the track was at its absolute best and groups were having a great tracking day…
I refused to calculate the cost per ...... lap I did just to keep it bearable.. packed up for the 300 km / 4hour drive home and reflected. Some decisions were taken on that journey. First to avoid being sidelined by rain: the 999 will be fitted with wets. It will also get a set of wheels carrying slicks so she can function as a spare bike and perhaps a quit bike should the big one fail sound tests. A set of a mates mag Marvic’s is on its way to the coaters to put them in black..
The RR is going to the dealer tomorrow and will get here mapping and tuning done in the meantime..  even if it blew a wonderful day, some insights were gained and action will be taken to make sure those mishaps will be avoided in the future..
Hmmm..come to think of it : wouldn’t that be nice… the 999 in a racesuit with the same RR livery …. Hmmm, now isn’t that something to look forward to….  By the way : Watching Gino Rea’s 2 man crew was pretty impressive with a spring change on the gas forks in just 8 minutes, fully dialled in..
 
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EBC

while riding only some laps at Assen, something i did change was the ABC ( from 1 to 2). this is not some fancy but onnoticable gimmick...

while session 1 felt pritty unsmooth and jerky, the switch transferred the behaviour. the difference is that much that taking some ongoing corners were much faster and significant less throtle input was required.. it also changed the way to brake with more room/need for trail braking..

the bike is so stunningly flickable that it needs this smoothness when rolling into the corners and bends. as the engine brake will definatly draw it to the inside of the corner by itself..


engine / power delevery

The first dyno's are planned for next week. to fix a base to start on.

Something good to know:

there have been 4 or 5 cases of non R engines been blown up in Europe. All of them had been pushed and tweeked to get the last bhp out of them. It has been noticed that when adding whatsoever as to motormanagement annuls the warranty. Changing timing and/or doing track riding only (racing or trackdays) changes the maintance schedule from 24K to 5 k for the base engine and 7 or 8 for the stronger ( Ti parts) R engine.

the first Base engines only came with 165 rwhp and all the mappingsupdate now bring them to 188 . this is the devlopment that Ducati itself has done to manage the reliablity of its engines. the 1200 can be pushed to 210 but at the cost of becoming very fragile. It will take some fancy internals everywhere to make it reliable at those levels and here we're in captain kirk or Alstare territory ..

a mods schedule in now in place just to aim to bring more bhp lower down and then to top it of at 11k-ish revs..

it will be:

1.Put out a base settings (Evo termi + MWR filter)
2. Make sure the airduct is fully sealed so air goes in smoothly and nonvortexed..
3. Open up the air intake in the front fairing by grinding out the nose - redo the dyno
4. Add a larger and straighter airduct - open up the nose fairing even further to match the larger airduct - redo the dyno
5. Change the timing of the cam's - redo the dyno
6. Add the Rapidbike to bring some balance if needed - redo the dyno..

then decide on what to do:

remove the Rapidbike?
top it of at 11.5 revs to save it from revving its head of?

interesting times ahead..
 
kope999R said:
SOME TECH STUFF


EBC

while riding only some laps at Assen, something i did change was the ABC ( from 1 to 2). this is not some fancy but onnoticable gimmick...

while session 1 felt pritty unsmooth and jerky, the switch transferred the behaviour. the difference is that much that taking some ongoing corners were much faster and significant less throtle input was required.. it also changed the way to brake with more room/need for trail braking..

the bike is so stunningly flickable that it needs this smoothness when rolling into the corners and bends. as the engine brake will definatly draw it to the inside of the corner by itself..


engine / power delevery

The first dyno's are planned for next week. to fix a base to start on.

Something good to know:

there have been 4 or 5 cases of non R engines been blown up in Europe. All of them had been pushed and tweeked to get the last bhp out of them. It has been noticed that when adding whatsoever as to motormanagement annuls the warranty. Changing timing and/or doing track riding only (racing or trackdays) changes the maintance schedule from 24K to 5 k for the base engine and 7 or 8 for the stronger ( Ti parts) R engine.

the first Base engines only came with 165 rwhp and all the mappingsupdate now bring them to 188 . this is the devlopment that Ducati itself has done to manage the reliablity of its engines. the 1200 can be pushed to 210 but at the cost of becoming very fragile. It will take some fancy internals everywhere to make it reliable at those levels and here we're in captain kirk or Alstare territory ..

a mods schedule in now in place just to aim to bring more bhp lower down and then to top it of at 11k-ish revs..

it will be:

1.Put out a base settings (Evo termi + MWR filter)
2. Make sure the airduct is fully sealed so air goes in smoothly and nonvortexed..
3. Open up the air intake in the front fairing by grinding out the nose - redo the dyno
4. Add a larger and straighter airduct - open up the nose fairing even further to match the larger airduct - redo the dyno
5. Change the timing of the cam's - redo the dyno
6. Add the Rapidbike to bring some balance if needed - redo the dyno..

then decide on what to do:

remove the Rapidbike?
top it of at 11.5 revs to save it from revving its head of?

interesting times ahead..
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Im not sure if you're keeping the engine stock for a specific class or not, but you could easily build the engine up for maximum life and reliability. You can contact some American companies that build engine parts and they will make you custom stuff for our 1199.

If I was in your position and put all of that time and money into it going fast, I sure as hell would not baby the engine :cool:
 
well, do i want warrenty or not ? and what is it i want.. i want more oomph lower in the rev range an no need to wring it's neck all of the time and avoid WSBK maintanance schedules.. and optimal ridability !

so : the Termi PRO manifold jumps to the fore!

giving 18bhp more between 6,5K and 9,5K sounds exactly what we want, isn't it? the max power goes on but it hits 200 bhp at 10,5K ... so...

just need to see what we can do between 4 and 6,5 and we're done, without having to wring it's neck every time we go out... :)
 

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