2022 Electronics Upgrade to 2023

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SuperDomestique said:
I get why Rick and anyone RACING their bike is faffing with all this electronics to eke 10/10ths. It sounds like a lot of time and effort for marginal gains but I see the worth if it gives you a leg up. But, the problems and unknowns of messing w electronics seem to outweigh the advantages in non-competition.
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These days you need a tune just to get what you paid for in the bike because they intentionally nerf the bikes for the US Market, a good tune simply opens up the restrictions on what you paid for already…an even better tune goes beyond a mass produced tune to one that improves upon ridability.
 
The problem comes in, educated speculation on my part, is that a lot of aftermarket tunes are built on early ECU versions. The dealer hooks up to the bike, reads your aftermarket tune ECU version as old and re-writes it.

The bad news is that your tuning device now sees this new file as a new bike and/or ECU and wants you to pay for the service again.

In any case, where possible, I'd flash my OEM nonsense onto the ECU before bringing it to the dealer, even if this meant it would have an error code for exhaust valve removal or the like.
 
Steven31371 said:
I’ve never seen a Dealer of any type of vehicle ever do a flash of ‘part’ of the system…I highly doubt that Ducati does.
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I think that's actually a check box on the dealer maintenance form. Something like check DDS 2.0 updates. If you have a good relationship with your dealer, nothing is stopping you from asking that this not be done.
 
bp_SFV4 said:
The problem comes in, educated speculation on my part, is that a lot of aftermarket tunes are built on early ECU versions. The dealer hooks up to the bike, reads your aftermarket tune ECU version as old and re-writes it.

The bad news is that your tuning device now sees this new file as a new bike and/or ECU and wants you to pay for the service again.

In any case, where possible, I'd flash my OEM nonsense onto the ECU before bringing it to the dealer, even if this meant it would have an error code for exhaust valve removal or the like.
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Every time I take the Porsche to the dealer I used to swap out the tune.

But with Ducati I just said Chuck it lol
 
bp_SFV4 said:
I think that's actually a check box on the dealer maintenance form. Something like check DDS 2.0 updates. If you have a good relationship with your dealer, nothing is stopping you from asking that this not be done.
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Exactly, when I go to Ducati I tell them not to touch anything except the very specific thing I came there for.

The problem with Porsche is that they void the warranty on every part of the car if you touch any part of the car, and the dollar consequences are higher so you dance the dance
 
It's not clear that Woolich has made the changes needed to allow the ECU to be reflashed with the 2023 software. Reading the description of the software it would seem at minimum another demand map has been added to the ECU to allow full throttle in 2nd up. You really don't need this as the current software can be modified to achieve this (or full power in 1st). But even if you could just flash the BBS I suspect the software would freak out anyway. I talked to Woolich awhile ago and he had not yet seen all current versions. Might have changed recently though. The $750 to reflash to the upgrade safety software (the BBS is safety software IMHO) is true BS. Should be free. Ducati became so much more mercenary when Audi bought them.
 
Meanwhile, some of us just go riding instead of worrying about the bike equivalent of upgrading from Window 10 to 11. Honestly sometimes I think I have bought a different bike to you lot, the dealer plugged in the Akra tune and the bike just goes. Smooth, quick, 300+k's if you want, no lag, hesitation etc the QS works in other words I got exactly what it said on the box, 'fast red bike"
 
Some people don't get that these race-homologated bikes are undergo multiple foreign government regulation for emissions and safety and require specific compromises to actually sell said bikes
 
Ducati once warrantied my frame (cracked the upper head tubes from braking forces) on my 5 year old race bike.
 
Paul G said:
Meanwhile, some of us just go riding instead of worrying about the bike equivalent of upgrading from Window 10 to 11. Honestly sometimes I think I have bought a different bike to you lot, the dealer plugged in the Akra tune and the bike just goes. Smooth, quick, 300+k's if you want, no lag, hesitation etc the QS works in other words I got exactly what it said on the box, 'fast red bike"
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Every ducati I have ever tuned (whether it's stock or has factory delivered exhaust) has been mapped too fat (rich). Rich is safe. The Akra tune derestricts the ecu. I suspect this is where most of the gained power comes from. My bike rips. Crisp throttle response, no holes or flat spots, flat rips. And I'm starting to get reasonable fuel economy. Part throttle mapping all the way thru the midrange on my bike was simply too rich. Rich translates as smooth response. Part of the issue with any of this sensor adjusted fueling is dependent on the sensor(s) slope(s) relative to the nominal sensor(s) slope(s) which the manufacturer uses for their programming. So, if the map is not written for the bike in question, it can be close but never optimum.
 
Yeah those ducati's suck. I need to get rid of them all. Cluttering up my space. I have a friend who has 17. Plus a few mv's, laverda's etc. He had to build another outbuilding to grow his collection. Every time he tries to retire they throw more money at him.
 
There’s something called “transmission adaptive” but not “drive adaptive.” I’d speculate it’s the same but can’t be certain. On a side note, with the most recent update it can reset PIN codes now.
 
bp_SFV4 said:
There’s something called “transmission adaptive” but not “drive adaptive.” I’d speculate it’s the same but can’t be certain. On a side note, with the most recent update it can reset PIN codes now.
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How long is it normally before the Iscan updates to new models? Mine worked really well on the 2020 V4 bit is currently very limited on the 23 bike.
 
bp_SFV4 said:
There’s something called “transmission adaptive” but not “drive adaptive.” I’d speculate it’s the same but can’t be certain. On a side note, with the most recent update it can reset PIN codes now.
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Take a look this
 

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KA77 said:
How long is it normally before the Iscan updates to new models? Mine worked really well on the 2020 V4 bit is currently very limited on the 23 bike.
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Generally about one to two years. There are periodic updates all the time but I never noticed a regular interval though. Every once in a while I'll VPN my phone to a Japan server, hotspot the iScan and check for updates.

Mine worked on my 2021 by selecting a EU4 2020. But now it will auto identify by VIN and seems to support more of the dealer functions like the pin reset right at two years later.
Chriss said:
Take a look this
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I saw that in one of the V4R threads. I think that's why some people have problems with the DQS after changing gearing.
 

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