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Okay problem solved with the suit.

It took awhile for Vircos/Tailertech to get back to me but they will in fact make the Vircos 372 suit I wanted in Kangeroo for me.

They also recommended that I use the TechAir Race instead of the TechAir10 so you all convinced me to switch to that options.

I had finished my draft of the suit in the Vircos configurator literally the night before they switched the configurator and the suit’s available to the Rev’it TailorTech stuff. So I think the sales rep made the case for grandfathering me in.

Unfortunately I may be the last Vircos suit produced though…unfortunate because I think they are the best designed suits out there.

The guys who have them are nearly cult like in their appreciation of them.

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Since Steven is spending cheese… He should pick up one of these for this next bike

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If I were steven I'd keep his current bike (since it's almost sorted) and stuff an 1103 crank in an R motor or R cams in the current one. Hp is controlled by flow so the max power would only be slightly higher (might see 250) but the torque awesome. I've already decided this is next winters project. I think I can start with an 1103 and stuff R cams in if it appears the rods can take it. I'll find a second motor and blueprint it and add cams (trying to add 30 or so HP without going thru the bottom is a bad plan IMHO). The cams are a bolt in. Only other difference I could find is the collets (they become titanium) and the closer springs. Then put it in and sell the one out of my bike. And I will dyno it and post the results. So I'm going to start looking for stuff (a blown up R with the heads unscathed would be perfect).
 
baggerman said:
If I were steven I'd keep his current bike (since it's almost sorted) and stuff an 1103 crank in an R motor or R cams in the current one. Hp is controlled by flow so the max power would only be slightly higher (might see 250) but the torque awesome. I've already decided this is next winters project. I think I can start with an 1103 and stuff R cams in if it appears the rods can take it. I'll find a second motor and blueprint it and add cams (trying to add 30 or so HP without going thru the bottom is a bad plan IMHO). The cams are a bolt in. Only other difference I could find is the collets (they become titanium) and the closer springs. Then put it in and sell the one out of my bike. And I will dyno it and post the results. So I'm going to start looking for stuff (a blown up R with the heads unscathed would be perfect).
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Way above my pay grade on that one Bagger😂😂😂

Also, on my bike, the rider needs more power, not the engine. Ha ha ha

Still though it’s a sexy idea and I’m interested in your results, sounds like a stump puller
 
KarlKani said:
Yeah I am never reconsidering the engineers that built my bike...
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Yeah but you kinda are every time you mod the bike, it’s just a matter of degree. And not inappropriate if it moves the bike from mass production track capable street bike designed to fit the broadest audience to being specifically set up to your preferences.
 
KarlKani said:
Yeah I am never reconsidering the engineers that built my bike...
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The assembly (valve shimming) of the heads was so bad from the factory that I wonder about the rest of the motor. And the cause of failure on Panibadboy' R really has made me a little crazy. When I put it back together I'll put an oil pressure gauge on it and monitor the oil pressure. It appears you can get to the pump pretty readily.
Steven31371 said:
Way above my pay grade on that one Bagger😂😂😂

Also, on my bike, the rider needs more power, not the engine. Ha ha ha

Still though it’s a sexy idea and I’m interested in your results, sounds like a stump puller
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It will be less peaky than an R' get off a corner harder than an R and the HP peak would only be slightly higher than a regular Pani 1103. Be easier to ride I think than an R.
 
Steven31371 said:
Okay problem solved with the suit.

It took awhile for Vircos/Tailertech to get back to me but they will in fact make the Vircos 372 suit I wanted in Kangeroo for me.

They also recommended that I use the TechAir Race instead of the TechAir10 so you all convinced me to switch to that options.

I had finished my draft of the suit in the Vircos configurator literally the night before they switched the configurator and the suit’s available to the Rev’it TailorTech stuff. So I think the sales rep made the case for grandfathering me in.

Unfortunately I may be the last Vircos suit produced though…unfortunate because I think they are the best designed suits out there.

The guys who have them are nearly cult like in their appreciation of them.
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Why 34?
 
SuperDomestique said:
Since Steven is spending cheese… He should pick up one of these for this next bike

www.hsbkracing.com

Home :: Motorcycle Inventory :: 2024 Ducati Panigale V4R HSBK Spec Track / Race Bike

The new Ducati V4R is without a doubt the most extreme and high-level superbike that Ducati has ever built! It proved itself to be a race winning package in several championships since conception including WorldSBK BSB & MotoAmerica The level of performance for the 998cc Desmosedici Stradale R is
www.hsbkracing.com www.hsbkracing.com
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Not that I have a spare $64K at the moment, but I really hate the lines of that undertail exhaust.
 
andyb said:
Is it 7 because a seven year old attached the sticker?

Quality engineering, says everything about you!

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i guess I offended the sticker king

Also you don’t need a blinged up or poseur replica for a trackday bike. Martin’s Panigale just has upgraded suspension, rear sets, seat, brake ducts, and exhaust.

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Yeah but you kinda are every time you mod the bike, it’s just a matter of degree. And not inappropriate if it moves the bike from mass production track capable street bike designed to fit the broadest audience to being specifically set up to your preferences.
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I am talking about the fundamental bike engineering, the engine
baggerman said:
The assembly (valve shimming) of the heads was so bad from the factory that I wonder about the rest of the motor. And the cause of failure on Panibadboy' R really has made me a little crazy. When I put it back together I'll put an oil pressure gauge on it and monitor the oil pressure. It appears you can get to the pump pretty readily.


It will be less peaky than an R' get off a corner harder than an R and the HP peak would only be slightly higher than a regular Pani 1103. Be easier to ride I think than an R.
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LMK when you get that built, I will have done a lot of laps in that time
 
baggerman said:
The assembly (valve shimming) of the heads was so bad from the factory that I wonder about the rest of the motor. And the cause of failure on Panibadboy' R really has made me a little crazy. When I put it back together I'll put an oil pressure gauge on it and monitor the oil pressure. It appears you can get to the pump pretty readily.


It will be less peaky than an R' get off a corner harder than an R and the HP peak would only be slightly higher than a regular Pani 1103. Be easier to ride I think than an R.
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The newer R’s, 22 and up have a new gear box with updated track oriented ratios that help you keep it in the best RPM range on track easier.

I love the torqueyness of the S engine, especially at my size. And for the street that’s a hoot, on track it’s a lot of fun too especially with the Deussen Tune opening up my mid-range. Having said that, I think the newest iteration of the R will be easier to finesse around the track faster. The improved gear ratios combined with a power delivery that’s smoother with the same or slightly better high end than the S in theory should be faster around the track, if not as FUN as the S engine.
 
KarlKani said:
I am talking about the fundamental bike engineering, the engine

LMK when you get that built, I will have done a lot of laps in that time
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These motors are based on GP14(?). So in 14 they were probably making 275HP. But since no one is going to give me a set of GP 14 cams the R's will have to do. So properly prepped motor bottom ends should be reliable. First thing I'm going to do is put a red loctited grub screw in those stupid back of the piston squirter feeds. Probably 3 HP right there. They're squirting oil at the backside of the piston domes to lower the dome temperature to lower NOX admissions. Lowering chamber temp kills a few HP. And they use up some of the oil pump capacity.
 
Steven31371 said:
The newer R’s, 22 and up have a new gear box with updated track oriented ratios that help you keep it in the best RPM range on track easier.

I love the torqueyness of the S engine, especially at my size. And for the street that’s a hoot, on track it’s a lot of fun too especially with the Deussen Tune opening up my mid-range. Having said that, I think the newest iteration of the R will be easier to finesse around the track faster. The improved gear ratios combined with a power delivery that’s smoother with the same or slightly better high end than the S in theory should be faster around the track, if not as FUN as the S engine.
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I think the gear ratio changes make sense particularly the higher first gear. But faster? The newest R cams have another mm intake lift (so 15 mm or 0.600 inch). So shorter guide life. If I had an R I'd be checking valve clearances on a real regular basis. Minimum yearly. That's probably most of the basis of the 5K service interval. The gun drilled rods are also a good thing in the new R's.
 
SuperDomestique said:
That’s not a lot. Stock is a little over 4 gal. You’d probably realistically only be able to get 2 sessions out of a full tank
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why would you carry a full tank of fuel around with you on a session on track? You fill what is required for that session, use it, come back in, refuel for the next session and go again.....oh track wise one!
 
I think you two should just actually meet, punch it out and then like in the movies become buds and go riding together.
 

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