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Thanks Steve. What you have said makes perfect sense. I'm in a similar position and had been trying to do too much on the brakes, ruining my line and not getting enough drive on the exit.

Does the KTM engine need a lot of servicing and refreshes, or is it more in line with other road bikes that are used on track?
 
I bet every corner you are leaving it as late as you dare to come off the throttle and then exit the corner thinking "could have waited longer". 🤣

Sounds like a lot of fun. 👍

How is your corner speed comparing to the V4?

Please do keep the updates coming (even if it's not a Ducati).
 
cl955 said:
Thanks Steve. What you have said makes perfect sense. I'm in a similar position and had been trying to do too much on the brakes, ruining my line and not getting enough drive on the exit.

Does the KTM engine need a lot of servicing and refreshes, or is it more in line with other road bikes that are used on track?
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There is a manual that you can download from Kramer’s site (for gp2-890rr) that outlines the servicing. Basically engine rebuild every 30 hours.

Edit: minor service at 30 hours (bearings), major service at 60 (pistons, valves, oil pump)
 
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Slow = fast.

If you aren’t exploiting the V4’s low power mode on the track, you’re missing out. You’d probably also see these kinds of improvements running your V4 in the low power mode bc you’re not rushing corners and making up for bad lines using the straight line power which then just perpetuates poor lines.
 
cl955 said:
Thanks Steve. What you have said makes perfect sense. I'm in a similar position and had been trying to do too much on the brakes, ruining my line and not getting enough drive on the exit.

Does the KTM engine need a lot of servicing and refreshes, or is it more in line with other road bikes that are used on track?
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They use a slightly upgraded version of their Street 890 engine, so pretty simple maintenance cycle…the engine isn’t what makes this bike, it’s the chassis…I think the 1st major engine refresh that they recommend is at 60 hours of actual racing. So you could probably get away with twice those hours of track day time. It’s also a lot cheaper bike to work on than the V4.

I figure between 35 and 45 track days before a major engine refresh.


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spooky said:
I bet every corner you are leaving it as late as you dare to come off the throttle and then exit the corner thinking "could have waited longer". 🤣

Sounds like a lot of fun. 👍

How is your corner speed comparing to the V4?

Please do keep the updates coming (even if it's not a Ducati).
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It’s not just how late you let off the throttle and get on the brakes where I’m saying to myself ‘I could have done more there’ it’s also the roll speed through the corners…on every corner I’m still feeling like “I could do this way faster” my roll speed through the corners is already as fast as I was on the V4, but I feel like I’m WAY under the limit of this bike and it encourages you to do it faster instead of scaring you not to lol
 
SuperDomestique said:
Slow = fast.

If you aren’t exploiting the V4’s low power mode on the track, you’re missing out. You’d probably also see these kinds of improvements running your V4 in the low power mode bc you’re not rushing corners and making up for bad lines using the straight line power which then just perpetuates poor lines.
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It’s not that simple, it’s not just down to power levels alone, and I have ran the V4 in low power mode on a bike that weight 398 pounds wet…with the KTM it’s the weight, and more importantly the chassis feels a lot different…much more feed back and manageability from the chassis and suspension itself on the RC 8C.

Of note, on a good day I was getting the V4 up to about 160 mph on the front straight of Big Willow…on the KTM I was hitting 150’s there. The Ducati speeds reached are not that much greater on the straights of most tracks, although you get to top speed a lot faster on the V4…but you also start accelerating much earlier on the RC 8C.

I’m already at or slightly ahead of my lap times on the RC 8C than I was on the V4, after only two track days with it. It’s just a more manageable bike at my rider level…and at even advanced (but not professional) rider levels I know guys that are as fast or faster on this bike that a V4.

The engine on the V4 is completely addictive and absurdly fun, but in terms of lap times all that power doesn’t mean anything unless you can really use it all, at my riding ability I am certainly not using it all. Not even close.
 
Steven31371 said:
It’s not just how late you let off the throttle and get on the brakes where I’m saying to myself ‘I could have done more there’ it’s also the roll speed through the corners…on every corner I’m still feeling like “I could do this way faster” my roll speed through the corners is already as fast as I was on the V4, but I feel like I’m WAY under the limit of this bike and it encourages you to do it faster instead of scaring you not to lol
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That’s indicative of the confidence it’s giving you. I kinda want one… and you could remove ‘kinda’ from that sentence… 🤣
 
Steven31371 said:
It’s not that simple, it’s not just down to power levels alone, and I have ran the V4 in low power mode on a bike that weight 398 pounds wet…with the KTM it’s the weight, and more importantly the chassis feels a lot different…much more feed back and manageability from the chassis and suspension itself on the RC 8C.

Of note, on a good day I was getting the V4 up to about 160 mph on the front straight of Big Willow…on the KTM I was hitting 150’s there. The Ducati speeds reached are not that much greater on the straights of most tracks, although you get to top speed a lot faster on the V4…but you also start accelerating much earlier on the RC 8C.

I’m already at or slightly ahead of my lap times on the RC 8C than I was on the V4, after only two track days with it. It’s just a more manageable bike at my rider level…and at even advanced (but not professional) rider levels I know guys that are as fast or faster on this bike that a V4.

The engine on the V4 is completely addictive and absurdly fun, but in terms of lap times all that power doesn’t mean anything unless you can really use it all, at my riding ability I am certainly not using it all. Not even close.
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Less weight > more power.
 
spooky said:
That’s indicative of the confidence it’s giving you. I kinda want one… and you could remove ‘kinda’ from that sentence… 🤣
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Get one, but get the Kramer not the KTM…you have to go through Kramer for any support on the bike and parts, and it has a slightly better ECU.

Almost no tangible difference between the bikes, but back end support is phenomenal with Kramer and non-existent with KTM
 
Steven31371 said:
Get one, but get the Kramer not the KTM…you have to go through Kramer for any support on the bike and parts, and it has a slightly better ECU.

Almost no tangible difference between the bikes, but back end support is phenomenal with Kramer and non-existent with KTM
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That’s the way I would go if I do it. I’ve only just got the V4R though. 🤣
 
Got my baby ‘looking’ mostly stock again and street legal with the lights back on the bike etc…was an adventure getting this Anniversario fairings to fit with the Sparks WSBK exhaust and H2O radiator but I got it all the fit with only a tiny nip and tuck.

Was planning on selling this bike and buying a Street fighter for tooling around on public roads when I rarely get that itch, then an R for the track when the next iteration comes out…but this bike is so cool as is that I’m having trouble letting her go, and may just keep it as my ‘street’ bike.

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keep it :) or if you really want to do a bit of street riding on something a bit more practical and very cool, get the Multi RS. Streetfighters are basically Panigales with apehangers but no banana seat so whats the point? :p
 
Paul G said:
keep it :) or if you really want to do a bit of street riding on something a bit more practical and very cool, get the Multi RS. Streetfighters are basically Panigales with apehangers but no banana seat so whats the point? :p
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I had a Streetfighter before I got the V4S, and loved it for occasional street precisely because it was a Panigale with a bit more relaxed riding position.
 
Steven31371 said:
I had a Streetfighter before I got the V4S, and loved it for occasional street precisely because it was a Panigale with a bit more relaxed riding position.
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Seriously, go to the dealership and try a Pikes Peak or even an RS if they have one, you will be impressed. They are really good street bikes, easy to ride, good vis, comfortable.
 
Steven31371 said:
I had a Streetfighter before I got the V4S, and loved it for occasional street precisely because it was a Panigale with a bit more relaxed riding position.
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I had a SF and didn't felt like it departed enough from a Panigale to be a good street bike. This is why I think the sporty Multis are better than the SF at street riding and they have useable mirrors. If I were to buy another Ducati, it would probably be a Multistrada. If I were to buy another sport bike for track and occasional street use, it would probably be a BMW or Yamaha.
 

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