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Steven31371 said:
Not really. It’s still to this day probably the greatest and most well sorted production bike ever made. With the Kramer GP2-RR and the KTM RC 8C 2nd.

That’s no cut on Ducati, I love them, but you have to put $20k into them to get them up to speed with the track capabilities of those two bikes, and even then it’s not nearly as easy to ride fast for a non-professional rider as the HP4-Race and GP2-RR/RC 8C.

The Ducati is arguably a funner more visceral emotion producing machine, but if you want to get fast, not the best option.
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What will you do when the motor in the hp4 race fails?

This issue is keeping me from buying one.
 
Steven31371 said:
Not really. It’s still to this day probably the greatest and most well sorted production bike ever made. With the Kramer GP2-RR and the KTM RC 8C 2nd.

That’s no cut on Ducati, I love them, but you have to put $20k into them to get them up to speed with the track capabilities of those two bikes, and even then it’s not nearly as easy to ride fast for a non-professional rider as the HP4-Race and GP2-RR/RC 8C.

The Ducati is arguably a funner more visceral emotion producing machine, but if you want to get fast, not the best option.
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I seriously don't get the logic here. Do you have a fixed budget for a bike? Imo hp4 race only worth if the budget is capped low.

Otherwise getting s1000rr gen4 or v4s will get you a modern well performing bike for reasonable amount of moneys.
And you don't need 20k on top of either to make it track (even club race) friendly.
 
I don’t see the problem. If someone has the budget to buy and run a bike like that and they want to do it then go for it.

I don’t think he was seeking financial advice…

The only negative I can see is that he would struggle to find upgrades for it. I’m sure he would find some though.
 
Fully fueled 376lbs and 215 HP seems like it would be an interesting bike. I don't think advising someone to get a V4S as a track bike really makes sense. Having ridden a S1000RR recently, I'm not in a hurry to get one.

The supersport market seems to be exploding right now. I keep looking at the GSX-R750. About 150 HP and costs about the same as an exhaust for a Ducati.
 
panibadboy said:
thats huge !
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Pretty stoked about it, but realistically I went from slow to less slow lol…I’m only making that big of improvements BECAUSE I’m still slow lol
craig bush said:
What will you do when the motor in the hp4 race fails?

This issue is keeping me from buying one.
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The New BMW’s and Aprillias are having a lot of engine failures, there may be engine failures on the HP4 Race but I’ve never heard of one. An acquaintance of mine, usually the fastest guy at all our local track days, road one for 3 or four years, 10 track days per year minimum on one without a single problem with the engine.

The engine is warrantied to 3500 miles, then they want you to get a new engine, not because it will fail at 3500 miles, but because they will warranty the new engine for another 3500 miles.

I’m not concerned about the engine failing, especially under warranty. And I’ll keep it well lubricated with tip top maintenance, if it fails after 3500 miles I’m good with buying a new engine.
 
spooky said:
I don’t see the problem. If someone has the budget to buy and run a bike like that and they want to do it then go for it.

I don’t think he was seeking financial advice…

The only negative I can see is that he would struggle to find upgrades for it. I’m sure he would find some though.
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Like the RC 8C no upgrades needed…even less so…I did actually upgrade the brakes on my RC 8C but only because I had the parts in my garage…the HP4 Race already has the best brakes and suspension you can realistically buy, even 7 years old.
 
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CSV4 said:
Have you ridden one?
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Yeah, although admittedly very early in my track riding experience. I wasn’t fast enough to fully appreciate it. I know two local guys who have one, John Chen has two and tracked one for years. RoadracerX has one and says it’s the best bike he ever bought and still believes to this day it’s the best production bike ever made, but he won’t ride it at track because it’s sort of a collectors item for him in his stable of 30 bikes, and he doesn’t want to have to track down replacement parts.

He says the RC 8C is the best production bike ever made that he’ll actually ride on track.
 
Steven31371 said:
Pretty stoked about it, but realistically I went from slow to less slow lol…I’m only making that big of improvements BECAUSE I’m still slow lol


The New BMW’s and Aprillias are having a lot of engine failures, there may be engine failures on the HP4 Race but I’ve never heard of one. An acquaintance of mine, usually the fastest guy at all our local track days, road one for 3 or four years, 10 track days per year minimum on one without a single problem with the engine.

The engine is warrantied to 3500 miles, then they want you to get a new engine, not because it will fail at 3500 miles, but because they will warranty the new engine for another 3500 miles.

I’m not concerned about the engine failing, especially under warranty. And I’ll keep it well lubricated with tip top maintenance, if it fails after 3500 miles I’m good with buying a new engine.
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Yeah, iirc he told me has has 2500 miles or so on his.

Help me understand the position of being “unconcerned” with engine failure. The engine will eventually fail - it isn’t a matter of if, but when. There are no new replacements available and i can’t find anyone rebuilding them.
 
bp_SFV4 said:
I don't think advising someone to get a V4S as a track bike really makes sense
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Well yes and no. All depends what you want out of it. V4S in default trim with few ergo tweaks like clipons and rearsets will easily get you 2mins at Mugello, that's just 14seconds off today's MM93 pace.
Obviously V4 + after market suspension is another option.
All are reasonable monies in 2024.
 
panibadboy said:
Well yes and no. All depends what you want out of it. V4S in default trim with few ergo tweaks like clipons and rearsets will easily get you 2mins at Mugello, that's just 14seconds off today's MM93 pace.
Obviously V4 + after market suspension is another option.
All are reasonable monies in 2024.
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None of that is relevant in real life with a real person riding it. A bike’s peak capability is a meaningless metric for all but professional riders.

The real question is how fast can YOU ride it. Pretty sure my V4S was set up in a way that it would be within 1 to 3 seconds of a WSBK bike in a professional’s hands. In my hands it was (so far) 6 seconds slower than a bike with nearly 100 hp less.

Most of your posts sound like a fan boys post, not someone who actually rides these things…not saying you are, but it sounds like it.
 
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craig bush said:
Yeah, iirc he told me has has 2500 miles or so on his.

Help me understand the position of being “unconcerned” with engine failure. The engine will eventually fail - it isn’t a matter of if, but when. There are no new replacements available and i can’t find anyone rebuilding them.
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Just asked the guy I know that has been tracking his at the highest level for years now about the engine:

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You buy that bike for the chassy and components not the engine.
 
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Steven31371 said:
Just ask the guy I know that has been tracking his at the highest level for years now about the engine:

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You buy that bike for the chassy and components not the engine.
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I’ve heard the assertions that there are “companies” that will rebuild the motor. No one seems to know the names of these mystery companies though. If you identify one, I’ll call and verify. I reached out to Alpha racing and got no response.

Replace the hp4 race motor with a gen 3 s1000rr motor? Sure, you can do that. I considered that option. But there’s a reason the gen 3 s1000rr motor costs $12k from BMW, and the hp4 race motor (now discontinued) was $30k, and it’s not because they’re almost the same. Doing this will change the entire riding experience to essentially an upgraded s1000rr. The motor is considered the heart and soul of race vehicles for a reason.
 
SuperDomestique said:
I heard @roadracerx jumped to a Fireblade SP recently…

HP4 is a 7 year old bike based on previous gen platform. Might be fast but I’m sure a well spec’d new S1000RR would be able to hold its own.
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I talk to him frequently, and go to a lot of the same track days, he rides a different bike nearly every time I see him lol.

One day the RC 8C, another his triumph 765, last weekend he was on his Alpha BMW lol
 
craig bush said:
I’ve heard the assertions that there are “companies” that will rebuild the motor. No one seems to know the names of these mystery companies though. If you identify one, I’ll call and verify. I reached out to Alpha racing and got no response.

Replace the hp4 race motor with a gen 3 s1000rr motor? Sure, you can do that. I considered that option. But there’s a reason the gen 3 s1000rr motor costs $12k from BMW, and the hp4 race motor (now discontinued) was $30k, and it’s not because they’re almost the same. Doing this will change the entire riding experience to essentially an upgraded s1000rr. The motor is considered the heart and soul of race vehicles for a reason.
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I asked the name of the shop that rebuilds the engines. Will report back, I kinda disagree that the engine is the heart of the bike, certainly that’s true with 95% of bikes, the engine is not the center of the bike on the RC 8C…it’s all about the chassis and suspension. I think the same is true of the HP4 Race
 
Steven31371 said:
None of that is relevant in real life with a real person riding it. A bike’s peak capability is a meaningless metric for all but professional riders.
The real question is how fast can YOU ride it. Pretty sure my V4S was set up in a way that it would be within 1 to 3 seconds of a WSBK bike in a professional’s hands. In my hands it was (so far) 6 seconds slower than a bike with nearly 100 hp less.
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2mins is the time of fast group of a regular track-day

Steven31371 said:
Most of your posts sound like a fan boys post, not someone who actually rides these things…not saying you are, but it sounds like it.
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I just gave you 2 brands, 3 different bike types - what fan boys post are you talking about ?
 

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