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That engine is about as analogue and rock solid as they come, we aren't talking about some highly tuned race engine pushed to the limit…it’s a standard Twin with some forged bits for extra strength…I mean anomalies happen but I’m on both the Kramer GP2-RR forums and the KTM RC 8C forums and no one has lost one of these engines yet, not even in BSB where they put lightweight alternators and flywheels etc on them.

Did you mod your engine or tune in any way?

In any case, Kramer is a bunch of stand up guys, as long as you didn’t do something crazy to the engine they’ll square you away.
 
Steven31371 said:
That engine is about as analogue and rock solid as they come, we aren't talking about some highly tuned race engine pushed to the limit…it’s a standard Twin with some forged bits for extra strength…I mean anomalies happen but I’m on both the Kramer GP2-RR forums and the KTM RC 8C forums and no one has lost one of these engines yet, not even in BSB where they put lightweight alternators and flywheels etc on them.

Did you mod your engine or tune in any way?

In any case, Kramer is a bunch of stand up guys, as long as you didn’t do something crazy to the engine they’ll square you away.
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It’s a brand new bike - this was its first track event. Also, there is another (french?) guy in the Facebook page with 2024 RC with dead engine after 150km.

Kramer are indeed great guys, but they will be on the mercy of KTM warrantying the engine. Bike is going to be checked on Thursday.
 
Snuggly said:
It’s a brand new bike - this was its first track event. Also, there is another (french?) guy in the Facebook page with 2024 RC with dead engine after 150km.

Kramer are indeed great guys, but they will be on the mercy of KTM warrantying the engine. Bike is going to be checked on Thursday.
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And by “great” I mean “going above and beyond” - they’ve organized the bike pickup asap and are going to try to work with KTM fix it for my next event in few weeks.

Anyways, we’ll see how things develop in the next few days. I am not sure what kind of user error I could’ve possibly done in the space of few slow sessions to damage the bike like this :(
 
.... happens, but knowing that doesn’t make it any less disappointing. I hope it gets sorted soon.

Did you keep your R?
 
Snuggly said:
And by “great” I mean “going above and beyond” - they’ve organized the bike pickup asap and are going to try to work with KTM fix it for my next event in few weeks.

Anyways, we’ll see how things develop in the next few days. I am not sure what kind of user error I could’ve possibly done in the space of few slow sessions to damage the bike like this :(
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Did you do the engine break in…an hour under 7K RPM?

Also, this is VERY important with these bikes, you can’t let it run for even 5 minutes standing still because it’s a race bike with no fans, and overheats almost immediately when it’s running and standing still.
 
Snuggly said:
Yep, not selling that :)

The Kramer stays with RSE - they will truck it to their events.
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They’ve started doing that now? They were talking about offering this when I saw them at Most. Are you at their next event in Brno?
 
Steven31371 said:
Did you do the engine break in…an hour under 7K RPM?

Also, this is VERY important with these bikes, you can’t let it run for even 5 minutes standing still because it’s a race bike with no fans, and overheats almost immediately when it’s running and standing still.
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The engine is already ran in - the break-in period is for the gearbox and it’s under 10.5k for gp2-rr (with a redline of 11.5) for 200km.
 
spooky said:
They’ve started doing that now? They were talking about offering this when I saw them at Most. Are you at their next event in Brno?
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It’s on a case by case basis right now, but yes -they were saying that it’s something that they are actively working on as available service for next year.

Unless something unexpected pops - I should be there :)
 
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Did you get in any laps on it?…you’re gunna love it, the bike doesn’t turn you into Valentino Rossi but it’s pretty crazy how it keeps asking you to do more while also giving you the confidence to do so. There are 3 things I’d change out straight away.

Two are needed in my book, the 3rd is subjective.

The shift rod from the left foot lever to the gearbox is made from clay, i.e. some cheap metals that breaks or weakens when you adjust the jam nuts, which you may have to do because the shift mechanism needs to be at a 90 degree angle with the shift rod or you get false neutrals. So if you adjust your foot peg and foot lever, you need to adjust the angle, and therefore that weak shift rod length, then it weakens and mine broke nearly ending a track day for a $15 part.

The 2nd is the the rear brake reservoir was exactly where my right heel hits it when I’m moving my foot around on the peg…it’s cheap plastic and I actually knocked the cap off the reservoir, some others have lost that cap and gone down from brake fluid getting on the rear wheel…again an easy cheap fix, $50 billet metal reservoir and the cap stays on tight…(or do what I later did and go with a thumb brake and remove that reservoir completely).

The 3rd thing is subjective…these bikes come with 30mm piston Stylema’s…but they put a 19mm Master Cylinder…that’s a bit too big for that piston size for my preferred brake feel…too wooden and not enough feel on trail braking…I switched to a 17mm Master Cylinder and it feels perfect on that bike.
 
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Did you get in any laps on it?…you’re gunna love it, the bike doesn’t turn you into Valentino Rossi but it’s pretty crazy how it keeps asking you to do more while also giving you the confidence to do so. There are 3 things I’d change out straight away.

Two are needed in my book, the 3rd is subjective.

The shift rod from the left foot lever to the gearbox is made from clay, i.e. some cheap metals that breaks or weakens when you adjust the jam nuts, which you may have to do because the shift mechanism needs to be at a 90 degree angle with the shift rod or you get false neutrals. So if you adjust your foot peg and foot lever, you need to adjust the angle, and therefore that weak shift rod length, then it weakens and mine broke nearly ending a track day for a $15 part.

The 2nd is the the rear brake reservoir was exactly where my right heel hits it when I’m moving my foot around on the peg…it’s cheap plastic and I actually knocked the cap off the reservoir, some others have lost that cap and gone down from brake fluid getting on the rear wheel…again an easy cheap fix, $50 billet metal reservoir and the cap stays on tight…(or do what I later did and go with a thumb brake and remove that reservoir completely.

The 3rd thing is subjective…the bikes come with 30mm piston Stylema’s…but they put a 19mm Master Cylinder…that’s a bit too big for that piston size for my preferred brake feel…too wooden and not enough feel on trail braking…I switched to a 17mm Master Cylinder and it feels perfect on that bike.
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Thanx for the tips.

The bike is amazing, and clearly has shown how much I can’t ride and have depended on power :) I really can’t wait to get it fixed and back on it again.

The brakes do indeed feel a bit like an off/on switch - I assume you’ve tried both modes before switching to 17?
 
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The brakes do indeed feel a bit like an off/on switch - I assume you’ve tried both modes before switching to 17?
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I tried the 19 MC on my R, which has the same calipers, out of curiosity and, whilst I liked the direct feel, I settled on the 17 that Brembo recommend and it has much better modulation. Trail braking was trickier with the 19 due to the on-off feeling that you mentioned.
 
Snuggly said:
Thanx for the tips.

The bike is amazing, and clearly has shown how much I can’t ride and have depended on power :) I really can’t wait to get it fixed and back on it again.

The brakes do indeed feel a bit like an off/on switch - I assume you’ve tried both modes before switching to 17?
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Yeah, every setting was too on/off for me with that 19mm Master…the 17mm still has absurd stopping power on that bike, but you can finesse and modulate it.
 
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I tried the 19 MC on my R, which has the same calipers, out of curiosity and, whilst I liked the direct feel, I settled on the 17 that Brembo recommend and it has much better modulation. Trail braking was trickier with the 19 due to the on-off feeling that you mentioned.
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The KTM/Kramers run a smaller rotor than our Ducati’s, a 290mm versus a 330mm…so you would expect that the less leverage on the smaller rotor might ‘like’ a bigger MC…but I didn’t find that to be true…though again brake feel is a subjective thing. I’m told by Kramer that the professionals that tested the bike prefer the 19mm MC…but I’m not a professional 😂😂😂…And I suspect that they prefer the feel of the 19mm MC because they have been running one for years on their race bikes and they are just use to that feel.
 

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