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That is some good stuff right there. @Bruce Wayne is the man! Well, @Steven31371 too!

Where I live it's pretty damn fun. I live near where these things are designed and built. There're roundabouts instead of stops or lights, endless hills and precious few cops that give a .... how you ride as long as you don't ride like an ass through populated areas. Just saying, not everywhere is the same. On certain mountain peaks here on any given Sat morning, you can find 80 other sports bikers loads of which are Ducati, who seem to feel the same.

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TomFoolery said:

Yes Texas landscape is drab. I have lived in very pretty parts of the country prior to Texas, and street riding a superbike is still a waste of time. 225 hp with horrible ergonomics, horrific ride quality, heat pouring on to you and that's before you get to bad roads, traffic, bad weather and distracted drivers. Everything about street riding a superbike is a pretense.

Now if you tell me you ride a gold wing or Harley or GS and tour the country, I can see the beauty in that.

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The Marelli kit I got from BSD was similar. The electrical system is the central nervous system of the bike and should be paramount in an extensive build. The cost associated with Motec kit at least the one Freddy used is going to be cost prohibitive for most which is why at the very least, an aftermarket Motorsport spec harness properly kitted to the stock ECU, BBS etc should be at the top of the list.

The ignition delete, and ABS delete we made plus the Tamburini harness and Woolich software deletes gave me a package that was as compact as the Marelli system at a fraction of the cost. Granted the tuning and telemetry components were not as robust but it’s a bulletproof system as an interim to a full kit. Regardless, the stock electrical system on the V4 from a component and quality perspective is straight garbage. If your serious about a solid platform, consider alternatives. The Motec for the V4 I think is 16-17k and the Marelli is more. My Marelli kit from BSD was 12k and change for the 99
This Renvale harness, ignition delete and ABS delete is about 2500 US.

Bruce Wayne said:

It might be worth contacting the distributor of H2O as the new radiator has the upper left-hand coolant line fitted behind the frame its a much better way of running itView attachment 42383

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Where are you guys putting your res bottle?

we were looking at putting it right there where the new line runs.



good idea btw, we’ll get clearance of the old line around the frame with the fairings we are using, but I doubt we would if I ever want to put the Foggy livery fairings back on, so I’ll order the new tube/hose to have around

Steven31371 said:

Where are you guys putting your res bottle?

we were looking at putting it right there where the new line runs.



good idea btw, we’ll get clearance of the old line around the frame with the fairings we are using, but I doubt we would if I ever want to put the Foggy livery fairings back on, so I’ll order the new tube/hose to have around

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I have a 125cc motion Pro overflow tank in the front fairing housing, there's not many places for it unfortunately with the big radiator

Steven31371 said:

Where are you guys putting your res bottle?

we were looking at putting it right there where the new line runs.



good idea btw, we’ll get clearance of the old line around the frame with the fairings we are using, but I doubt we would if I ever want to put the Foggy livery fairings back on, so I’ll order the new tube/hose to have around

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Mine is in front of he dash also, with your headlights and everything that won't be possible. the other logical place is vertical behind right hand side of radiator - but another hurdle for you is the fan on the radiator

Bruce Wayne, Last we spoke was December, is the bike not finished yet? I thought you had Sicom rotors on that thing. I ended up getting the xbob190/191 calipers and using the Z04 pads. The Braketech CMC rotors are IMO much closer to iron rotors than the Sicoms so the Sicoms are in a box. Hope to see the bike completed soon, looks epic

Bruce Wayne said:

I'm fitting the full motec system on my V4R next week along with the sbk swingarm and shock it removes a lot of parts and definitely tidys up the wiring.View attachment 42385View attachment 42386View attachment 42387View attachment 42388View attachment 42389View attachment 42390

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Oof….that looks good my friend.

Bruce Wayne said:

I have a 125cc motion Pro overflow tank in the front fairing housing, there's not many places for it unfortunately with the big radiator

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yeah the problem is on mine I’m keeping the front headlights so we can’t do that…we’ll sort it.

I just put a Motec system in my Porsche, one issue we are having is waiting on firmware updates from Motec to be able to really dial it in the way we want, I’d be interested to see if there are similar issues with the bike setup.

great system overall.

I am not a car guy at all, but I had a GT4 last weekend. Was fun couple days

endodoc said:

Bruce Wayne, Last we spoke was December, is the bike not finished yet? I thought you had Sicom rotors on that thing. I ended up getting the xbob190/191 calipers and using the Z04 pads. The Braketech CMC rotors are IMO much closer to iron rotors than the Sicoms so the Sicoms are in a box. Hope to see the bike completed soon, looks epic
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mine of the few areas where I was really comfortable as a novice rider at the track (surprisingly) was braking much later and harder than everyone else out there, I personally loved the feel of the Brembro GP4-MS and Sicom rotors with Sicom pad combo, progressive initial bite that then builds very rapidly to stop you like you rode into a bog filled with mud up to your shoulders.

Super easy to modulate delicately but builds rapidly to phenomenal stopping power.

never tried an iron rotor/ZO4 setup for comparison though….and brake feel is super subjective to each rider, but I love how that bit feels on my bike.

Motec M1 Build is a platform that allows the user to create their own firmware… it opens up possibilities that even motec haven’t thought of. So it’s by no means restricted by anything. In fact… I don’t know if any other ecu manufacturer that provides this kind of creativity.


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KarlKani said:

I am not a car guy at all, but I had a GT4 last weekend. Was fun couple days

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bikes are funner, I might end up selling the Porsche and getting a nice comfortable luxury car like a Bentley or something because with the bike in the garage it’s what I’m always drawn to when I wanna go out and hooligan around to blow off some steam.

Alkhater said:

Motec M1 Build is a platform that allows the user to create their own firmware… it opens up possibilities that even motec haven’t thought of. So it’s by no means restricted by anything. In fact… I don’t know if any other ecu manufacturer that provides this kind of creativity.


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they’ve been pretty responsive getting us the firmware updates we need, meaning weeks instead of months.

completely different situation on the Porsche though, we are using the Motec to create a piggyback fueling system that has to interact with the Porsche ECU, and we are having issues with communication between the Motec and stock ECU on things like gear indicators, the Motec isn’t picking up the electronic gear changes fast enough with the stock ECU, and because we are doing boost indexed to gear, RPM, and throttle position it’s a bit of a hiccup, we are only running the car at about 26-28 psi of boost to keep it safe while we await a needed firmware update to get the gear indicators to sync properly

The Sicom front and rear rotors shipped with pads. Sicom doesn’t have pads for the SBK calipers only the M50 (same as the MS) so anyone using SBK calipers is going to be using Z04, Z03, or SBS pads. You can use any pad on the Braketech rotors. They are a completely different material. I suspect the same on the Sicoms but they want to sell you pads. Interested to see how the Sicoms wear. The Braketech rotors that I have seen that have been in use for years have virtually no measurable wear. I’m super happy I didn’t sell these. Anyone want to buy some front Sicoms, they are for sale. SBU tried the Sicoms on their project bike but in a later installment, the had steel rotors back on the bike. I’m keeping the rear Sicom, so far, it doesn’t work worth a .... compared to a steel rotor but then again it’s not fully seated yet so time will tell.

Super important with the Sicom rotor and Sicom pad combo to bed the pads properly, they are designed to pass material back and forth between the pad and rotor….there is no brake dust from the setup because no material is being lost or grinded away, the pad material passes back and forth from pad to rotor and back…..Sicom tells me that because of this they will last indefinitely.

but it’s super important to get a good ‘layer’ of their brake pad material onto the rotor and bonded to the rotor surface…you’re not so much bedding pads to rotors so the wear groves match, (there are no wear grooves), as you are transferring a layer of the pad material onto the rotor using a heat cycling method they give you for initial setup when 1st riding the bike.

took awhile for me to really understand that and then get them set up right, but WELL worth doing

I’ll stop at the shop and take some pics of what they look like when the material from the pads is properly transferred and coating the rotors.

There are really no shortcomings to the Sicom stuff….they don’t wear, they don’t brake fade, handling when leaning the bike is greatly improved, and usually you have to trade off between ease of delicate modulation and overall stopping power, but these stop as good as anything out there in terms of their final grip/friction grab, but you can still modulate them with a progressive but fast ramping initial bite and let up for trail braking.

but it’s all contingent on properly heat cycling a layer of that pad material to the rotors.

it’s not about ‘bedding’, i.e. setting up and matching the micro groves created from normal pad/rotor friction, there are no groves created in this setup, it’s about proper material transfer, completely new way of thinking about it and new technology.

I’m surprised that carbon rear rotors are even a thing. I mean… one would have to be using them a lot to get them to operating temps.


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these are not he carbon rotors used in Moto GP

Also in Moto GP they only use carbon rotor for front, not rear

Alkhater said:

I’m surprised that carbon rear rotors are even a thing. I mean… one would have to be using them a lot to get them to operating temps.


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Sicoms and most other carbon disc options are carbon ceramic, so they don't have the same temp requirements as carbon-carbon discs like what's used in GP and F1. Carbon ceramic doesn't need to be hot to function.

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I’m surprised that carbon rear rotors are even a thing. I mean… one would have to be using them a lot to get them to operating temps.


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nope, not the Sicom, completely new material technology, stop great cold, stop even better hot.

having said that, I only have Sicom on the two front rotors, waited 9 months for the rear and still aren’t here.