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RickD996 said:
How many soldiers tossed you off? Did they all do it at the same time? Were you the only one tossed off, or did a group of you get tossed off, whilst loads of soldiers stood to attention and watched?
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Me know nothing about this group tossing you seem to be obsessed with. Must be a generational thing. That being said as my bike gets sorted riding it is like being constantly blown. What a fine motor et al.
 
Track day at CVR yesterday, I feel like I finally have the bike ergonomics dialed in for me and oh what a difference. Was getting faster every session…the org running the track day has a no session format which I love, so I would go out, do five solid laps working on a specific aspect t of riding faster, then come in for 10 or 15 minutes to rest and reset and go back out for 5 laps and repeat all day, worked really well for me.

Was VERY hot, 103 degrees, but bearable, and hot enough that I didn’t have to put warmers on between mini sessions and still kept the right pressures.

Had a scary moment, the wind kicked up pretty bad right at noon, created a mini dust storm SUDDENLY, so I was coming up on a corner at about 110 mph with a guy about 10 bike lengths ahead of me and the dust created a white out nearly zero visibility condition, the guy in front of me just disappeared and luckily I had done enough laps where muscle memory kicked in to make the corner.

Stayed windy the rest of the day but all the loose dust blew off after that 1st raucous so visibility was fine after that.

Also very few people there compared to a none holiday weekend so all a very good track day.


Also was the 1st day Running Deussen’s tune on the bike. Daniel is incredibly responsive and helpful even from Germany, and woe, I though the bike was fast before haha….I not sure it added any top end power but it added enough power through the power band that I was lifting the front tire off the ground in places I never was before, was alarming at 1st but then a lot of fun after I got past not expecting it, and was easy to correct by putting a bit more weight on the front wheel earlier in the pull off an apex onto a straight. The 1st lap that I pushed hard the front tire was probably 6 inches off the ground for almost the entire back straight though haha.

All in all a noticeable and fun upgrade putting Deusen’s tune in the bike.

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Another note on Deussen’s tuning versus using Auto Tune with the Woolich system.

Woolich auto tune feels more factory, Deusen’s tune feels more racey. Both run really well, but if any of you have ever driven a really high performance sports car compared to a true race car you know what I mean by more ‘racey’. It’s just more visceral, with more power everywhere (that you have to manage) and because it has a lot more power through the rpm range it makes the bike feel lighter and more responsive/aggressive.
 
Steven31371 said:
Another note on Deussen’s tuning versus using Auto Tune with the Woolich system.

Woolich auto tune feels more factory, Deusen’s tune feels more racey. Both run really well, but if any of you have ever driven a really high performance sports car compared to a true race car you know what I mean by more ‘racey’. It’s just more visceral, with more power everywhere (that you have to manage) and because it has a lot more power through the rpm range it makes the bike feel lighter and more responsive/aggressive.
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Can you elaborate a bit more? I'm currently between the two but not that much stuff to read up on regarding the Deusen tune.
 
Mr.Alex said:
Can you elaborate a bit more? I'm currently between the two but not that much stuff to read up on regarding the Deusen tune.
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He’s just a really skilled tuner, that gives you his full time and attention.
RickD996 said:
Steven, did you have a dyno run from both maps?
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No just comparative track days on the same track. Would be fun to do a dyno of both maps to see where there are differences in the curves but it would literally be just for fun. How it feels riding it with the two maps is most important to me, so I guess the best endorsement that I can give Deussen is that I can switch back and forth between maps in less than ten minutes, and I have all my access ports under the battery cover so it’s easy to get to, and I have Deussen’s on there not the Woolich.

At some point I’ll try to get it dyno’d just for ..... and giggles.

Maybe the best way to describe it is that acceleration is is more immediate and savage, which once you get use to it was VERY fun, and made overtakes easier to btw. At least in the track day environment.

There were instances where I was behind a guy that was just a little bit slower than me, but close enough in speed where it wasn’t a clear pass on the parts of the track with short straights between corners. With the Woolich tune I would wait until we got to one of the long straights to pass, with the Duesen tune I found myself attacking on the short straights where normally you’d be too low in the rpm range and power band to do a sudden acceleration. But with Deussen’s tune I’d twist the throttle in those spaces a little more, pop a little 6 inch wheelie, rip by the guy and then brake a bit deeper and get by, was fun as .... haha…there were a few moment where I felt like Bagnaia out there haha

On this track the green areas are the straights where there is usually enough space to power by other riders, but with Deussen’s tune I was powering by in red sections. I guess that where it made the biggest difference, on those short straights where you are coming off a corner and there isn’t enough time before the next corner to get up into the top of the rpm range, having more power lower on the rpm range let’s you rip on those sections.

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Steven31371 said:
He’s just a really skilled tuner, that gives you his full time and attention.


No just comparative track days on the same track. Would be fun to do a dyno of both maps to see where there are differences in the curves but it would literally be just for fun. How it feels riding it with the two maps is most important to me, so I guess the best endorsement that I can give Deussen is that I can switch back and forth between maps in less than ten minutes, and I have all my access ports under the battery cover so it’s easy to get to, and I have Deussen’s on there not the Woolich.

At some point I’ll try to get it dyno’d just for ..... and giggles.

Maybe the best way to describe it is that acceleration is is more immediate and savage, which once you get use to it was VERY fun, and made overtakes easier to btw. At least in the track day environment.

There were instances where I was behind a guy that was just a little bit slower than me, but close enough in speed where it wasn’t a clear pass on the parts of the track with short straights between corners. With the Woolich tune I would wait until we got to one of the long straights to pass, with the Duesen tune I found myself attacking on the short straights where normally you’d be too low in the rpm range and power band to do a sudden acceleration. But with Deussen’s tune I’d twist the throttle in those spaces a little more, pop a little 6 inch wheelie, rip by the guy and then brake a bit deeper and get by, was fun as .... haha…there were a few moment where I felt like Bagnaia out there haha

On this track the green areas are the straights where there is usually enough space to power by other riders, but with Deussen’s tune I was powering by in red sections. I guess that where it made the biggest difference, on those short straights where you are coming off a corner and there isn’t enough time before the next corner to get up into the top of the rpm range, having more power lower on the rpm range let’s you rip on those sections.

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I wonder if that’s predominantly related to Daniel’s expertise with throttle mapping - changing the power delivered vs power requested (i.e. throttle twist). @DeussenEngines
 
Yes, when I had the SLR map, Frank mapped me a quick action throttle (10% quicker). Whereas, with the Woolich, I just had a dyno tune. And, I have a JetPrime quick action throttle.

I think the DimSport software gives more functionality, fosho.
 
RickD996 said:
Yes, when I had the SLR map, Frank mapped me a quick action throttle (10% quicker). Whereas, with the Woolich, I just had a dyno tune. And, I have a JetPrime quick action throttle.

I think the DimSport software gives more functionality, fosho.
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Interestingly I just realized that I didn’t tell him that I had the Domino short turn throttle on my bike…I also have a 15/41 sprocket setup, I found the throttle response on Deussen’s tune to be just a bit peaky at 1st, then he suggested trying it in Medium engine setting, (had it in high) and that put me right in the sweet spot where the bike was ripping on acceleration throughout the rpm range but I was still able to modulate with some finesse.
 
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craig bush said:
I wonder if that’s predominantly related to Daniel’s expertise with throttle mapping - changing the power delivered vs power requested (i.e. throttle twist). @DeussenEngines
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The throttle mapping on Steven's map is actually from the Akrapovic race map. But this is actually a quite heavily reworked mapping in many other areas. The Euro4 Panigale race maps benefited a bit from these changes whereas the newer Euro5 Akra race maps require some less modifications to work well.
 
Steven31371 said:
Interestingly I just realized that I didn’t tell him that I had the Domino short turn throttle on my bike…I also have a 15/41 sprocket setup, I found the throttle response on Deussen’s tune to be just a bit peaky at 1st, then he suggested trying it in Medium engine setting, (had it in high) and that put me right in the sweet spot where the bike was ripping on acceleration throughout the rpm range but I was still able to modulate with some finesse.
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I bet you’d get better drive with the stock 16/42. It would temper the peakiness and give better anti-squat
 
SuperDomestique said:
I bet you’d get better drive with the stock 16/42. It would temper the peakiness and give better anti-squat
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Yeah I will probably change it back now that I have Deussen’s tune on there, partly because it’s definitely causing a good bit of the peakiness, but also because I have enough power at lower RPM’s now that I don’t need the 15/41 setup to stay in the power band as much.

The negative is that on that particular track you can do the whole coarse in 3rd gear without ever shifting with a 15/41 setup lol

But I’m gunna be riding some tracks with some long high speed straights soon so might as well change it back.

The bike is turning really well on tip in and mid corner though as it is.
 

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