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I can count on one hand how many legit builds have been on this forum in the last 3-4 years. The bolt on crowd have taken over and the builders started hiding out. It's a shame.
 
There are always going to be degrees of genuine 'technical' content in a "build" thread (perhaps it would appear more appropriate to refer to them as an "assembly" or "enhancement" thread), that doesn't ultimately amount to simply reciting a glorified shopping list. If I am brutally honest, whilst my own is in essence just that (a comprehensive "re-assembly" thread and I make no claim that is amounts to anything more), there is a genuine lack of innovative content on here (some of which used to appear on this forums predecessor...www.ducatisuperbikes.com of which a few of us still here used to remember, on a regular basis). That's not to say I have an issue with the current crop of threads, but it is a fact that build threads (in the truest sense of the word) are in decline, so there is consistency in Endodoc's remarks. It's perhaps mostly evident to those who have been around long enough to see the changes. I don't believe in highlighting such changes to the newer community of members is necessarily targeting them, but raising their awareness that there is, where possible, a lot more scope to this forum for those who have a combination of either time, funds, skills or experience to inform and educate others and wish to contribute to it with a real thread of substance. Here is one such well known example. Some of you here may still remember this guy Thorsten Durbahn who made his own engine cases, cable operated clutch conversions, carbon bodywork, exhaust systems, wired up his own custom engine mapping solutions etc etc. Mad as a box of frogs but really innovative. This is just one of his many projects.

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I enjoy seeing the pics, whether full builds or bolt ons. Hey even chicks look good with bolt ons.

I could carry on a rant about how men have drastically changed but it is what it is. I am only 40 and am amazed at how many grown men cant run a ratchet strap, change a tire, mow a lawn etc. Best I can do is teach my kids those skills so they dont grow up without common sense.
 
If I may put my two cents in. I’m new to this forum, hell I just bought my first ever Ducati anything! I enjoy reading all threads even ”washing a bike” To each his own. I have two young daughters that command ALOT of my attention. I run a company with 50 employees and it operates 24/7 365 so my phone is constant non-stop. I’m saying all of this because I don’t have time to build .... nor do i want to. I MAY could LOL. I grew up on the cusp of the old generation and the newer generation. I can see both sides. I‘m not going to get all bent out of shape as to what someone titles their thread. I like everything everyone puts up on this forum. So if you want to build/bolt-on then have at it. BTW I call it tinkering. It’s what i have time for. Thanks and keep it all up.
 
Please can some help me understand something. Why are all these "legit" bike builders with epic builds "hiding" out? Why didn't the rest of you guys go with them? The fact that you guys are ok with highlighting when someone does something different than you is disturbing. I like both schools of thought bolt-ons and full superbike builds. But I refuse to sit back and allow anyone to be harassed because you don't agree with their choice of direction with "their" bike. Lets be real for a moment as cool as full superbike builds are they are stressful and not nearly as reliable. Not to mention they cost a stupid amount of time and money. I will never be that guy on a forum spreading negativity when we are all supposed to be here to share a common interest. So think about this are these guys my kind of guys if not it may be time for you to move on. Now that I have got that out of the way if any of you come in my thread with this bs I will very quickly stoop to your level.
Cheers,
 
I keep in touch with a few of the old members and they’ve said they’re not active here because this forum has nothing to offer anymore. It lacks innovation. Hiding out isn’t really the right word for it. Them (and myself) basically got bored of the cosmetic bolt on threads. I have nothing against the guy that wants to look like the the Rizoma catalog threw up on his bike. I didn’t pay for your bike and therefore my opinion doesn’t really matter. But don’t call it a build. You didn’t build anything. You played adult legos.

The whole knowledge base of the forum has declined. The other day I had to step into a thread where a new member suggested putting grease on the brake pad retaining clip on the front calipers to help with the noise (please don’t put grease anywhere near your brake pads). There also seems to be a trend of wanting to replace parts when you don’t even understand the purpose of said part. So yeah, most of us that have been around awhile just sit back and laugh.
 
Rogue said:
I keep in touch with a few of the old members and they’ve said they’re not active here because this forum has nothing to offer anymore. It lacks innovation. Hiding out isn’t really the right word for it. Them (and myself) basically got bored of the cosmetic bolt on threads. I have nothing against the guy that wants to look like the the Rizoma catalog threw up on his bike. I didn’t pay for your bike and therefore my opinion doesn’t really matter. But don’t call it a build. You didn’t build anything. You played adult legos.

The whole knowledge base of the forum has declined. The other day I had to step into a thread where a new member suggested putting grease on the brake pad retaining clip on the front calipers to help with the noise (please don’t put grease anywhere near your brake pads). There also seems to be a trend of wanting to replace parts when you don’t even understand the purpose of said part. So yeah, most of us that have been around awhile just sit back and laugh.
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I agree with most of what your are staying. But who are you to tell anyone what to call their thread. Why are you bent outta shape because someone uses the word build. I will call it whatever I want and the fact that you are trying to control that is a problem with your way of thinking.
 
There are levels to everything and all things are relative.
Maybe its a build to them. It may not be what you consider a build but that doesn't make it any better or worse.
 
Rogue said:
I keep in touch with a few of the old members and they’ve said they’re not active here because this forum has nothing to offer anymore. It lacks innovation. Hiding out isn’t really the right word for it. Them (and myself) basically got bored of the cosmetic bolt on threads. I have nothing against the guy that wants to look like the the Rizoma catalog threw up on his bike. I didn’t pay for your bike and therefore my opinion doesn’t really matter. But don’t call it a build. You didn’t build anything. You played adult legos.
The whole knowledge base of the forum has declined. The other day I had to step into a thread where a new member suggested putting grease on the brake pad retaining clip on the front calipers to help with the noise (please don’t put grease anywhere near your brake pads). There also seems to be a trend of wanting to replace parts when you don’t even understand the purpose of said part. So yeah, most of us that have been around awhile just sit back and laugh.
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Hi Roque,
Thanks for the picture and information on my other thread about the RCS master cylinder, I do have some few more questions that maybe you could help.

Regarding your post above, I want to response:
a. If you have nothing against the guy that wants to look like the Rizoma catalog,... then why do you have to be against that person (like me) who write the title of my thread as a "build"?
Because, "build" can mean different things to different people. I used to owned exclusive Aprilia distributorship back in my country of origin from year 2000 to 2005 but forced to liquidate when the Euro currency goes up so high that Aprilia is too expensive for my country market. I also represent Arrow exhaust (mostly for the RS125 and RS250 2 stroke, but sometimes I sold to my RSV Mille customer too). Plus I represent Goodridge (buy directly from Exeter in UK), Ferodo, and ValterMoto.
On top of that I have RS250 racing team competing in the 400cc competition and RS125 drag bike. I hire an ex GP125/250 mechanic who retired to my country of origin (somewhere in South East Asia) which modified (porting, polishing the 2 stroke rotax and suzuki engine). Oh, I also accept race preparation for other brand as long as the customer want to pay (modified R6 with Grave racing parts and tune the engine with Yamaha official adjustable ECU).
So I have been there done that since 20 years ago. Now, I did not want or have a need (personal and commercial) to rebuild an engine or tore up the entire bike chassis. Oh, and I owned the original 916 back in 1995 when I study here at USC, long before many of the "senior member" here have even heard what a Ducati is.

But to me at this time in my life, adding nice beautiful parts (either Rizoma or Non Rizoma) still mean "Building" the bike to my TARGET level. and TARGET vary between people.
Imagine, if you want to add a "bolt on" shack at the back of your house, and you buy them from ready to construct shack at homedepot, you can still say, I am "building a shack" at the back of my house, eventhough most are already ready made for you and you just bolt it on like a giant lego to your rear lawn. Even to people who modified their engine here, well 99.99% did not have your own foundry to cast the engine block or forged the piston? you basically also bolting on a ready to made race part on to an engine. sometimes, you might need to modify it to make it work or fit, but you still rely on manufactured parts.
How about the word "BUILDING my Inventory" or "BUILDING my Collection"? those word did not mean you are really inventing something too.

b. There is nothing in this forum rules that limit the world "build" to only certain criteria. The real judge is the reader of this forum. If more people read the thread, and they like what they see as part of the "build" that it become a new direction, a new trend, and I believe in this era, most people prefer "bolt on" build that they themselves can copy and use for their bike. Do you want to be a provider of information for the top 0.5% or do you want to be the provider for the rest 99.5%?

c. This forum will stay RELEVANT if the content is relevant. This forum will GROW (like the sales of Panigale V4) if there are more and more customer/reader visiting this forum and find a relevant BUILD for them.
So forum will change, trend will change, member will come and go and you just have to adapt and evolve to survive.

At the end, the reason why most of the older member did not eager to post it here is because there is nothing more to gain FOR THEIR OWN BENEFIT, because they already know everything they need to know for their own purposes and they might not have a new project soon. If they think the quality of content have gone down, well, why don't they become the beacon of light, the reference standard and go back here post their latest "build" (if they have any) and show what their currently have to bring the quality back up? Nothing stopping them from doing that.
That is the only thing they can do, but no one can legally stop people like me who now only like to add "bolt on cosmetic modification" and use the word "build" on my own thread.
You just have to accept the fact that things change.

I did not plan to even respond anymore to this thread, and I now promise myself this will be my last response. I don't want to defense my choice of word "build" anymore, because I don't have to in the first place.
What I am going to do is to contribute as much as I can to this forum with my experience of BUILDING my bike with BOLTS ON, until I ran out of part that I want to add to my bike.
 
HKMP7 said:
There are levels to everything and all things are relative.
Maybe its a build to them. It may not be what you consider a build but that doesn't make it any better or worse.
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I don't think anyone is necessarily dismissing your thread, or more specifically it's content and your contribution to the forum and yes you are, as we all are, free to name a thread whatever we choose to. Perhaps it's more a case of the lines becoming blurred over time, with respect to how people perceive what a "build" constitutes and therefore their use of an apt description. Yours may not align with others views of what is an appropriate term to use to describe a thread, but historically the general conception has always been that a thread in which the motorcycle was actually "built" as opposed to simply modified, merited that title. I for one enjoy reading the majority of posts on here, yours included but it comes down to semantics at the end of the day and as I alluded to before, a genuine lack of innovative threads to compare current content with. It's a subjective point of discussion. Good luck with your current project.
 
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You are correct. There are no forum rules stating you can’t call it a build. I’ll continue to stick to threads that are relevant to my interests. Like I said, I didn’t pay for your bike, so my opinion doesn’t matter. You do you.
 
For those that are interested, this is one thread I have been following on the UK forum.

www.ducatiforum.co.uk

Kr1000 Replica Build...

thinking of building one of these, not sure how difficult it will be though so any tips welcome! [ATTACH] [ATTACH]
www.ducatiforum.co.uk www.ducatiforum.co.uk

As an aside, it's odd that we don't see more restorations on this forum, such as this one....

Ducati 888 Strada Restoration – An Enthusiast's Site

ducati888.co.uk ducati888.co.uk
 
topolino said:
For those that are interested, this is one thread I have been following on the UK forum.

www.ducatiforum.co.uk

Kr1000 Replica Build...

thinking of building one of these, not sure how difficult it will be though so any tips welcome! [ATTACH] [ATTACH]
www.ducatiforum.co.uk www.ducatiforum.co.uk

As an aside, it's odd that we don't see more restorations on this forum, such as this one....

Ducati 888 Strada Restoration – An Enthusiast's Site

ducati888.co.uk ducati888.co.uk
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Those are cool neither one is my taste. However I can appreciate their time and effort tho. But not in a million years would I go and bash what they are doing.
I feel like Ive made my point on this.
 
You start a thread stating you agree with being hostile to others. They deserve to "draw fire" from the true technical gods because they are incorrectly, well at least according to you, calling what they do a "build". No matter how good you are technically, that's a respect loser right there. Hostility to others over something as insignificant as a hobby is unacceptable. Just because you have a particular skillset does not make you better than the rest. A particular attitude may actually make you worse.
 
I guess you missed the gist of the thread as well. let me see if. I can put it into perspectives. Let's take the word "awesome". let me give you a couple of examples of what could arguably fit that description. The first moon landing, a nuclear explosion, the reincarnation of a T rex etc. My waitress at breakfast a while back after reading back my order replied "awesome, I will get it right out" with regard to my order. Was my order on par with the first moon landing? probably not. My point was that over time, magnitude and intrigue seems to have diminished globally in just about every subject. It's the 15th place, everyone gets a trophy mentality. So I guess when i see a "build thread" like topolino's, Rogue, Gun Moto, Tadashi, Mick etc for instance and right above it lands another "build" thread with a gas cap change and 2 frame bolts, maybe you get the idea. Maybe take the embellishment meter and adjust accordingly as to not diminish the descriptor and the magnitude of impact of the prior efforts.
 
endodoc said:
I guess you missed the gist of the thread as well. let me see if. I can put it into perspectives. Let's take the word "awesome". let me give you a couple of examples of what could arguably fit that description. The first moon landing, a nuclear explosion, the reincarnation of a T rex etc. My waitress at breakfast a while back after reading back my order replied "awesome, I will get it right out" with regard to my order. Was my order on par with the first moon landing? probably not. My point was that over time, magnitude and intrigue seems to have diminished globally in just about every subject. It's the 15th place, everyone gets a trophy mentality. So I guess when i see a "build thread" like topolino's, Rogue, Gun Moto, Tadashi, Mick etc for instance and right above it lands another "build" thread with a gas cap change and 2 frame bolts, maybe you get the idea. Maybe take the embellishment meter and adjust accordingly as to not diminish the descriptor and the magnitude of impact of the prior efforts.
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No I didn't miss the gist at all. You are missing the gist. Im saying there is no need to .... on threads because they dont live up your standard of "build".
FYI my journal doesnt live up to my standard of a superbike build but Im still having fun. The days of me kidding myself thinking I need superbike forks and the latest factory racing parts are over.

P.S. I know everyone's parents taught them. "If you don't have anything nice to say"...
 
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