Ducati Panigale V4 916 25 Anniversario Build Thread

[BMW Alpina]

BMW Alpina
I am looking forward to seeing this Goodridge aramid fibre line next to the copper line. I am busy doing a massive clean of the car garage and checking out your post while having a break. Would rather be working on a bike than cleaning the garage. You are finding some interesting pieces and great leads on equipment for others.

Hi Brad,
Thanks for your kind words. Do you remember that you also gave me a very valuable information regarding the Titanium Ducati Radiator Cap for the 1199 Superleggera 1.5 months ago?
Well, that Titanium radiator cap is finally on the way (still with DHL) and hopefully arrive this week

I can't wait to received it and I will always remember, that it was you who gave me the information on this Ducati Radiator Cap...and also the idea of a carbon fiber bracket for the horn and a better sounding/lighter horn and more...

Thanks so much Brad.

 

[chris320]

BMW Alpina
great stuff! also look fwd to see it finished, and more info and pics when you intall that cb connector. Any chance you can measure the full lengths of the lines whilst you are there, would be very useful to know in case i have to order some lines without the originals.

 

[endodoc]

WOW. This is involved. I’ll admit the ProTi banjos look better than the hex banjos. Are all those black fittings you are using steel or aluminum? I re-lined my first 1299 in 2015. It came out nice but I soon scrapped everything. looking forward to your finished system.

 

[BMW Alpina]

BMW Alpina
great stuff! also look fwd to see it finished, and more info and pics when you install that cb connector. Any chance you can measure the full lengths of the lines whilst you are there, would be very useful to know in case i have to order some lines without the originals.

Hi Chris320,

I actually already measured the total length of all the lines earlier today and make a note, I need those total length so I can calculate the required hard line length. (just for approximation)

I did not posted it here because I never thought anyone would be interested
(oh, the value below is for the full line length meaning combination/total length of hard line and braided line but did NOT include the banjo length because the proper way to measure the hose (according to Goodridge) is from around the place where you "CUT" the hose. plus those banjo are not all "straight banjo"
Here is the explanation on how to calculate the hose from Goodridge website (which accurate if you are using straight banjo only though) : Buildaline

Back to the total length, here they are:
Line from Rear Master Cylinder to the ABS module = 48cm
Line from ABS module to the Rear Caliper = 130cm
Line from ABS module to Front Master Cylinder = 58cm
Line from ABS module to the Right Front Caliper = 86cm
Line from Right to Left Front Caliper = 35cm
Clutch Line = 83 cm
Also you might want to add 2 or 3cm extra for a bit more "slack".

 

[BMW Alpina]

WOW. This is involved. I’ll admit the ProTi banjos look better than the hex banjos. Are all those black fittings you are using steel or aluminum? I re-lined my first 1299 in 2015. It came out nice but I soon scrapped everything. looking forward to your finished system.
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Hello Endodoc,

All those black banjos adapter are Goodridge Stainless Steel Shadow Line (Black finish). NO Aluminum fittings are allowed here
Well, except the Aluminum Chase Bay "F" shape distributor since those will be securely mounted, plus the 3 brake line coming into it acting as further bracing,
and the Aluminum Staubli's since those are obviously engineered (meaning shape/thickness/diameter) differently.

When I was selling Goodridge decades ago, I never spec aluminum banjos adapter (in braking application) for my customer even when they asked me too.

Initially, I was thinking of buying the Stainless Steel finish Goodridge Banjo Adapter, but one of those came only in 20 degree, and I found the Shadow Line banjos came with 15 degree angle.
Thus meaning less protruding on the ABS module.
Then I also realized the Black Banjo Adapter finish will provide great contrast between the Stainless Steel surface background of the ABS module and the Titanium Silver of the ProTi,
not to mention in between those black banjo, will be POLISHED Copper Washer. This will make great color combination.

While I am here might as well post the part# for everyone that is interested to use this,
so here are the Goodridge Banjo's adapter Part# used on the ABS module (note the "CBK" on the part number means C(Stainless Steel) BK(Black)):

a. Part#B593-03CBK, Goodridge Shadow Universal Adapters, 15 degree, Stainless Steel, Black, 10mm Banjo, -3 AN Male Threads,
Qty needed 2 pieces for the 2 right ports on the ABS module that goes to the rear braking system
Goodridge Shadow Universal Adapters B593-03CBK

b. Part#B597-03CBK, Goodridge Shadow Universal Adapters, 15 degree/Side Bend, Stainless Steel, Black, 10mm Banjo, -3 AN Male Threads,
Qty needed 1 pieces for the second port from the left on the ABS module that goes to front Master Cylinder
Goodridge Shadow Universal Adapters B597-03CBK

c. Part#B592-03CBK, Goodridge Shadow Universal Adapters, Straight, Stainless Steel, Black, 10mm Banjo, -3 AN Male Threads,
Qty needed 1 pieces for the first port from the left on the ABS module that goes to the front Caliper
Goodridge Shadow Universal Adapters B592-03CBK

d. Part#B594-03CBK, Goodridge Shadow Universal Adapters, 45 degree, Stainless Steel, Black, 10mm Banjo, -3 AN Male Threads,
Qty needed 1 pieces for the Oberon Clutch Slave Cylinder
Goodridge Shadow Universal Adapters B594-03CBK

 

[endodoc]

Good call. I’m not a fan of aluminum in brake lines except as noted when necessary. I try to stick with Aeroquip and Earls as it’s basically free to me and the Aeroquip stuff is NAS spec. Not the lightest or cheapest solution but the reusable SS fittings are bulletproof. for lines that require a traditional banjo, I order them from Core as they have Ti banjos. I order a longer than needed line with the banjo on one end and nothing on the other that way I can terminate the line to spec and with whatever connector I need on the other end. I get exactly what I need and don’t have to pre measure and hope it’s correct. Keep up the nice work.

 

[BMW Alpina]

Good call. I’m not a fan of aluminum in brake lines except as noted when necessary. I try to stick with Aeroquip and Earls as it’s basically free to me and the Aeroquip stuff is NAS spec. Not the lightest or cheapest solution but the reusable SS fittings are bulletproof. for lines that require a traditional banjo, I order them from Core as they have Ti banjos. I order a longer than needed line with the banjo on one end and nothing on the other that way I can terminate the line to spec and with whatever connector I need on the other end. I get exactly what I need and don’t have to pre measure and hope it’s correct. Keep up the nice work.

Thank You endodoc,
The Goodridge 700 series Aramid hose can't used reusable fitting, only crimped, otherwise, I would prefer to build the fitting myself (more fun and no Goodridge UK labor cost).
I just took another pictures with better angle to show the "gradient" of color from stainless steel ABS module background to polished cooper washer, to black banjo, to polished cooper washer again and cap with the Titanium Silver from ProTi.
also note the Goodridge Female Connector -3AN will be Stainless Steel (natural Stainless Color), with a black Aramid fiber hose, so even more color gradient when the hose is finished.

 

[Andy7]

Thank You endodoc,
The Goodridge 700 series Aramid hose can't used reusable fitting, only crimped, otherwise, I would prefer to build the fitting myself (more fun and no Goodridge UK labor cost).
I just took another pictures with better angle to show the "gradient" of color from stainless steel ABS module background to polished cooper washer, to black banjo, to polished cooper washer again and cap with the Titanium Silver from ProTi.
also note the Goodridge Female Connector -3AN will be Stainless Steel (natural Stainless Color), with a black Aramid fiber hose, so even more color gradient when the hose is finished.

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DETAILS!

 

[endodoc]

That looks great. Do you have any photos of the lines themselves? I have some Kevlar (water) lines from Stratoflex but do not think I have seen the lines you are using. I do have the Aeroquip pneumatic bench crimper to do the crimp lines. I just haven’t used it in quite some time. Again, good info and nice work.

 

[BMW Alpina]

That looks great. Do you have any photos of the lines themselves? I have some Kevlar (water) lines from Stratoflex but do not think I have seen the lines you are using. I do have the Aeroquip pneumatic bench crimper to do the crimp lines. I just haven’t used it in quite some time. Again, good info and nice work.

Thanks again endodoc,

So, from what I remember (my memory is fading), about 20 years ago when I representing Goodridge in my country of origin, The Goodridge Kevlar brake braided line can be had with real Kevlar color finish (yellowish green).
Although I think I also order some in RED finish for my customer. My memory is blurry now...

But, what I clearly remember, it was available in -2 size. That brake line was incredible, the brake lever was very firm. However, Goodridge no longer offer in -2 size anymore for the 700 series hose.

Selling brake line at that time was great, I make at least 100% profit margin at list price from Goodridge UK, Exeter. And my Aprilia customers was so eager to top the other customer when they see each other during the club meeting that I arrange.

but now, the Goodridge brochure say the aramid fiber is in black color, this according to the latest Goodridge brochures on their website (which was issued back in 2017, yap Goodridge had not updated their catalog on their website for 3 years):

However, if Goodridge is consistent with their 910 series aramid braided hose, then I think the Aramid fiber finished on the 700 series brake line hose should be the same style/color.
I do have recent pictures of this when I changed all my Fuel Line and Oil Cooler line in my car with Goodridge 910 series Aramid Braided maybe 3 years ago:

Here is the link to the forum website where I documented my project:
DIY Fuel Line upgrade to Goodridge 910Series PTFE with Aramid(Kevlar) reinforced hose - Unofficial Honda FIT Forums

The 910 series aramid braided hose is unique that it can use "Reusable" fitting, thus allow me to assemble them myself. (the PTFE tube of the 910 series is unique that it is convoluted design outside but smooth inside).
Also the aramid fiber is more pleasant to work with then regular stainless steel, the aramid fiber won't accidentally bleed your finger...

They look very nice and here are the pictures (note those Goodridge reusable fitting for 910 series hose, most of them are FORGED)

Last,
Below is the picture of my booth during the largest car show in my country of origin back in year 2002. It was really good old days, when I was 29 years old and representing Aprilia, Italjet, Goodridge, Ferodo, ValterMoto, Arrow exhaust... and play with all of this all day long,

and I took this picture when I visited Aprilia factory in Noale, not too far from (edit I mean Venice not Milan), this was also in 2002 I believe:

now this is in Milan during the EICMA show:

 

[chris320]

Hi Chris320,

I actually already measured the total length of all the lines earlier today and make a note, I need those total length so I can calculate the required hard line length. (just for approximation)

I did not posted it here because I never thought anyone would be interested
(oh, the value below is for the full line length meaning combination/total length of hard line and braided line but did NOT include the banjo length because the proper way to measure the hose (according to Goodridge) is from around the place where you "CUT" the hose. plus those banjo are not all "straight banjo"
Here is the explanation on how to calculate the hose from Goodridge website (which accurate if you are using straight banjo only though) : Buildaline

Back to the total length, here they are:
Line from Rear Master Cylinder to the ABS module = 48cm
Line from ABS module to the Rear Caliper = 130cm
Line from ABS module to Front Master Cylinder = 58cm
Line from ABS module to the Right Front Caliper = 86cm
Line from Right to Left Front Caliper = 35cm
Clutch Line = 83 cm
Also you might want to add 2 or 3cm extra for a bit more "slack".

many thanks for those, will be very useful later!

 

[BMW Alpina]

I can't edit my previous post yesterday but turn out I made some typo on the length. I found out just now when I was writing the email to order the 9 hoses (and rechecking with my handwritten notes), so here are the correct lengths:

The bill of material (BOM) for the Goodridge 700 series Aramid braided lines and using all Goodridge Stainless Steel fitting:
(the latest letter on the part#: C means Stainless Steel, while CBK means Stainless Steel Black Shadow line)

• Hose#1: ABS to Rear MC

End Fitting A : Part# S6090-03C, 90 degree Forged Female Concave Seat Stainless Steel

700 Series Hose : 8cm (centimeters)

End Fitting B : Part# S451-31C, Female Metric Concave Swivel Stainless Steel

• Hose#2: Rear MC to ABS

End Fitting A : Part# S5070-03CBK, 70 degree Banjo with Extended Neck Stainless Steel BLACK color

700 Series Hose : 14cm (centimeters)

End Fitting B : Part# S451-31C, Female Metric Concave Swivel Stainless Steel

• Hose#3: ABS to Rear Caliper

End Fitting A : Part# S6090-03C, 90 degree Forged Female Concave Seat Stainless Steel

700 Series Hose : 10cm (centimeters)

End Fitting B : Part# S451-31C, Female Metric Concave Swivel Stainless Steel

• Hose#4: Swing Arm Joint

End Fitting A : Part# S451-31C, Female Metric Concave Swivel Stainless Steel

700 Series Hose : 16cm (centimeters)

End Fitting B : Part# S451-31C, Female Metric Concave Swivel Stainless Steel

• Hose#5: To Staubli of Rear Caliper

End Fitting A : Part# S451-31C, Female Metric Concave Swivel Stainless Steel

700 Series Hose : 15cm (centimeters)

End Fitting B : Part# S6001-03CBK, Straight Female Concave Seat -AN3 Stainless Steel BLACK color

• Hose#6: ABS to Front MC

End Fitting A : Part# S6001-03C, Straight Female Concave Seat -AN3 Stainless Steel

700 Series Hose : 10cm (centimeters)

End Fitting B : Part# S451-31C, Female Metric Concave Swivel Stainless Steel

• Hose#7: Front MC to ABS

End Fitting A : Part# S451-31C, Female Metric Concave Swivel Stainless Steel

700 Series Hose : 21cm (centimeters)

End Fitting B : Part# S5094-03CBK ,45 degree Banjo with extended neck Stainless Steel BLACK color

• Hose#8: ABS to "F" Distribution Block

End Fitting A : Part# S6045-03C, 45 degree Forged Female Concave -AN3 Connector Stainless Steel

700 Series Hose : 8cm (centimeters)

End Fitting B : Part# S451-31C, Female Metric Concave Swivel Stainless Steel

• Hose#9: Clutch Line

End Fitting A : Part# S6001-03CBK, Straight Female Concave Seat -AN3 Stainless Steel BLACK color

700 Series Hose : 88cm (centimeters)

Line Locator : 2 (TWO) RUBBER mounting Grommet along the hose

End Fitting B : Part# S5094-03CBK, 45 degree Banjo Extended Neck Stainless Steel BLACK color


The only 2 lines that I had not included in the bill of material above are the 2 final lines from the ChaseBay "F" connector to the front left and right caliper,
because I want to bolted the ChaseBay "F" connector with a bracket first before I measure the ideal length of the hose that will goes to the Left and Right Staubli Quick Dry connector and then to the Front Calipers.
However, I already know the end fitting of both which will be
45 degree Forged Female Concave -AN3 Connector S6045-03C with 1 rubber grommet on each hose and ended with Straight Female Concave Seat -AN3 S6001-03CBK that will connect to the Staubli.

 

[BMW Alpina]

Of all these modifications that I made and all these parts that I love, nothing is as important as this one part

I was worried a lot that I will never get this one and it is a long story and effort just to get this one part (that should have been part of my bike edition)...

So, back in December when I decided I want to buy a 916 Anniversario, and since this is a significant purchase, I promise that I will only buy if "all stars aligned" meaning the price (deals) and also the serial number on the upper triple clamp.

I don't want to just purchase a bike with some random serial number, it got to be special for me and I am willing to pay extra. O

f course I am quite reasonable and not looking for bike number 1 or bike number 500, I don't need that kind of special, but I need a number that have personal meaning for me.

I compile an excel spreadsheet and even track all the serial number sold (or in another country) by looking at all the YouTube video. This way, I knew those serial numbers are no longer available.

From all the information above, I created a short list of serial number that I like that I know still available. I just have to found which dealer have it.

Arm with this information, I contacted every single dealer in the USA that have 916 Anniversario in stock or will have bike coming into their inventory and my first question was always, the serial number.
(good thing about this is, now I know almost every Ducati Dealer Sales Manager (some of them are the owner of the dealership) in the US, and which one is the pleasant person to deal with, in case I somehow buy another Ducati)

After several weeks of looking finally I found one bike with Serial#210 that I like. The dealer who have this bike have 3 units of 916 Anniversario in stock, however, the bike#210 was already ship to one of the owner of the dealership who live in another city. This person likes to collect unique bikes. The dealer offer me a very good deal on the other 2 bikes and ready for immediate delivery, but I insist, I only want to buy the bike #210 and as long as it had not been registered yet to DMV.

Well, the bike has not been registered yet to DMV so legally it is brand new, however, turn out the bike had been registered to Ducati USA in the Ducati USA system as belong to that owner of the dealership. The problem is, this mean the process to get the Ducati Certificate of Authenticity for this bike#210 had started and it will be for the owner of the dealership. I was not aware of this, and I believe the General Sales Manager at my dealership also did not know about this since all the communication with Ducati USA were handled by their head office in that other city. So few months after I took my bike home had passed until I received an email to show proof that my dealership is trying hard with the help of Ducati Regional Business Manager handling my area to rectify this situation. Since then I decided to coordinate directly with the Ducati Regional Business Manager (who is very very helpful) in pushing Ducati Italy to fix the administrative issue and make sure the Ducati Certificate of Authenticity will be issued to me instead.

Well, after almost 5 months of effort, I finally received a packaged directly from Switzerland (I don't know why it came from Switzerland) below, and this is a long sigh of relief for me.
Without this certificate, I will feel DEFENSELESS if someday, someone wants to start a "BIRTHER" movement against my 916 Anniversario,
but with this certificate, no one will doubt my 916 Anniversario authenticity. This bike cost much more than the regular V4S, and this certificate completely justified the cost and make it feel complete
This is A GREAT DAY !


By the way, I never knew that the Fairing Graphics was designed by Aldo Drudi of Drudi Performance until I read this certificate:

Ducati really try to make this special that they even put the #210 on the SKETCH picture (circled in red):

 

[HKMP7]

That is super cool! I love those little things that make the ownership feel special.

 

[BMW Alpina]

That is super cool! I love those little things that make the ownership feel special.

Thanks so much HKMP7

Talking about special parts...
so I already measured the dimensions of all the visible bolts on top of the Airbox so I can replace them with ProTi Titanium bolts, but then I feel incomplete if I neglected the bolts below the airbox,...
which means, I need to remove the airbox, which also means, now I can have direct access to the Radiator HOSE !!!

I was tempted to replace the factory rubber hose with the Samco Hose, but I was reluctant to do it since the proper way is to remove the airbox, but now I guess I don't have a choice
Especially since ordering the Samco Hose together with the Goodridge fireproof sleeve for the brake line will save shipping cost...
So a few days ago, I ordered the Samco Hose in ORANGE color. (I was considering red, but I don't like the shade of red, I consider white, but it might get dirty from the grease/oil) so ORANGE it is.
The only problem is the Samco hose in Orange means 30 days of lead time... well that's ok, I can wait...

At the same time, I also ordered Mikalor Stainless Steel Hose Clamp in different sizes so I can replace most if not all factory Ducati clamp. This Mikalor clamp is the highest W5 version which means they are made from the 316 Stainless Steel (nicer finished and rust resistant). Amazingly the Mikalor (just) arrived in few days from Netherlands, no wonder the UPS shipping cost was 50 Euro

I also want to say Thank You @topolino
I found a lot of information for the Samco hose and the Mikalor from @topolino thread: Samco Radiator Hoses
Topolino was also the one who gave Samco his original hose which Samco used as their template.

Below are the Mikalors:

 

[BMW Alpina]

Today, the Bonamici Racing HALF Lever for the Brembo RCS Corsa Corta arrived. I ordered it because I like the AERO cut out on the original Ducati by Rizoma half lever and the half lever from RCS Corsa Corta did not have it.
Also, the original Ducati by Rizoma half lever have the "DUCATI" lettering laser marked on it, so I custom order the "DUCATI" lettering to be laser marked on the Bonamici Racing Half lever.

The Bonamici lever is slightly shorter and have a very nice "cnc machine" machining pattern on the top side of it.

Here the before and after pictures:

 

[BMW Alpina]

Can't edit the quote above, I guess there is a "timer" where you are only allow to edit your post for certain amount of time after you post...

Anyway, I took another picture that shows the "cnc machining" pattern (lines) on top of the lever.

 

[BMW Alpina]

Weekend update

I spent my whole weekend learning how to polish aluminum parts.
I need to polish the original rear suspension lower bracket and link because I want to anodized them in Gold (to make a nice color contrast with the silver anodized MotoCorse upper rear suspension bracket).

If I anodized them as is (original matte surface), then the result will be a dull looking anodize finish and I prefer shiny one.

So, first, I tested the abrasive tools and process by getting rid of the mark on the stock upper rear suspension bracket then polish it...
I figure, if the result is not good, I am going to replace this part with the MotoCorse anyway so no harms:
I use painters tape to masked the area that was good and only exposed the bad area than secure it on a clamp:

I start sanding it using the flap sand paper tool, then continue using the most abrasive polishing wheel with the most abrasive compound (I used my Dremel with the long cable attachment which make it easier then directly using the Dremel):

The marked is completely sand out, then I start polishing it using the red roque softer compound with the less abrasive tools:

And the result is very nice:

So now I am ready to work on the LOWER rear suspension bracket (left picture), while right picture shows the result after I am done with rougher sanding to remove all the matte finish:

continue below due to 10 pictures limit:

 

[BMW Alpina]

But this polishing process was really time consuming that I spent about 6 hours on Saturday and another 6 hours on Sunday, (many hard to reach area and complex geometry).
I just finished 15 minutes ago, and I decided to continue next weekend.

I am sure a Professional metal polisher will be able to do in shorter time with better more powerful tools and technique, however, I am guessing, it would take them at least 2 to 3 hours minimum, and in my area, they charge $125 per hour...
On this lower rear suspension bracket alone, I spent about 8 hours but still, it is a good way to learn a new skill and at $0 labor cost, I am still quite ahead of $250 to $375 if I let a professional metal polisher perform this for me...
Since I have 3 other parts that need to be polished, it might cost me around $1,000 with the professional polisher,... so I think I will be spending the next few weekends polishing aluminum
Beside, I am still waiting for more parts to arrived anyway before I can take this parts to the anodize shop.

I managed to finish the polishing process (to the softest compound) on one side of this bracket.
If you notice on the picture below, the right leg is already polish to the max while the left side only up to the sanding stage, and you can see the right leg is shinier.

Also, the shortest stubby torx bit arrived from Amazon, and if you plan to use a lot of ProTi Torx style bolt, this shortest stubby torx bit is a must. I am able to use it to torque the oil line bolts with very tight spaces between it and the front exhaust manifold easily. Pictures below (please pay attention on the picture that show height comparison):

 

[Raul1976]

Amazing Howard! Thanks to you inspiring me I have bought the Brembo Rear Master Cylinder to clean up the messy set up on our bikes.