Dynoing my 1299S tomorrow

JDBeretta said:

Absolutely, in my opinion. A lot of the feedback I hear is reflective of this.

I haven't tracked the Pani yet, but hope to get some track time in this summer.

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You going up to Castrol? I shall be there this Sunday for the Hardnox trackday.

Going to book for August... If you're ever out in Hinton/Jasper, send me a message.

JDBeretta said:

Going to book for August... If you're ever out in Hinton/Jasper, send me a message.

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Cool mate. Will do. Hope to see you and your 1299 in August!

Grayson said:

Heretic!

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Burn him at the stake!

Shilling - any chance you will re-dyno your bike with the speed sensor issue corrected?

fzr100098 said:

Shilling - any chance you will re-dyno your bike with the speed sensor issue corrected?

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Yes, I will.

I am waiting for delivery of my new Termignoni Carbon slip-on's, with an MWR filter. The guy that tuned my BMW S1000RR, will be using my bike as a Guinea-Pig and so will take another baseline figure with the rear wheel speed sensor disconnected. Then he will take a set of figures for the Termi, plus filter. Then he will work on tuning the bike and see what he can come up with.

This will not be happening until August, as I am in the middle of multiple projects with my clients and won't have the ability to give him my bike for the two weeks he needs for thorough testing and tuning until then (I'm off to Hawaii for two weeks for a friend's wedding in August).

Hopefully, we see the true potential of the stock bike and then also, some real-World figures for the slip on (cat delete), filter and custom tune.

Cheers.

I think my bike will be on the dyno before then, my tuner does not believe the rear wheel speed sensor will affect power output so he is out to disprove a myth - we will see

buttnekid said:

I think my bike will be on the dyno before then, my tuner does not believe the rear wheel speed sensor will affect power output so he is out to disprove a myth - we will see

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you can clearly see on my graph that the bike runs pig rich at the top end with it connected. The Ducati master technician told me that the bike is fueled to allow for the ram air effect and so is over rich if it is stationary on a dyno, without the massive volume of cool air at speed.

I will be really interested to see what your results are.

Cheers.

ah that makes sense

See this vid at 25 sec in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHHqOZwIfxs

80shilling said:

I am waiting for delivery of my new Termignoni Carbon slip-on's, with an MWR filter.

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The ones with the front exit? do post up when you get them and if they, uh, slip right on.

The only thing that has kept me from placing an order (well, on top of how long it takes for exhausts to arrive from Italy - been down that road many a time) is a paranoia that it won't fit the larger 1299 pipes.

JDBeretta said:

Saw a video today of a R1M with a full Graves system... As much as I hate to say it, it sounds as good as a Duc.

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I know it won't be a popular opinion on this forum, but all initial reports/results say it is better (at least on the track, where .... matters).

The R1 is just as narrow and just as light, and makes about the same power. Because of the crossplane motor, it has the mechanical grip advantage with the power deliver (like a Twin or V4), but it revs faster than a V-Twin.

It has the same electronics as the 1299, but better because Yamaha utilized the higher spec 6-Axis IMU rather than the 3-Axis IMU Ducati used.

And the Yamaha is simply easier to go faster on. I have more than one friend who has went out and set a personal best in their first weekend on the new R1 (which is impressive because I am talking about guys who have been winning races for years, not some reporter).

It has all the advantages the Duc has with the light weight, great power, smooth power delivery etc...but it is simply easier to ride...which equates to faster lap times.

There is a reason why the grids are full of R1's at the Club and Professional levels all over the US.

Chaotic said:

I know it won't be a popular opinion on this forum, but all initial reports/results say it is better (at least on the track, where .... matters).

The R1 is just as narrow and just as light, and makes about the same power. Because of the crossplane motor, it has the mechanical grip advantage with the power deliver (like a Twin or V4), but it revs faster than a V-Twin.

It has the same electronics as the 1299, but better because Yamaha utilized the higher spec 6-Axis IMU rather than the 3-Axis IMU Ducati used.

And the Yamaha is simply easier to go faster on. I have more than one friend who has went out and set a personal best in their first weekend on the new R1 (which is impressive because I am talking about guys who have been winning races for years, not some reporter).

It has all the advantages the Duc has with the light weight, great power, smooth power delivery etc...but it is simply easier to ride...which equates to faster lap times.

There is a reason why the grids are full of R1's at the Club and Professional levels all over the US.

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But not everyone is buying a bike to head to the paddock. I compared both before I bought and looked at resale and materials in both. The wheels on the one I looked horrible. I believe they rushed the process. I have had more Yamaha's than any other bike and they are great and easy to maintain.

There is indeed another reason why the grids are full of yamaha's are professional races. Money. They pay.

Of course. People buy bikes for lots of reasons. If somebody factors things like what the wheels look like or colors or how the decals are angled or .... like that, then the specs are irrelevant.

But we were talking about which bike is better...which typically means performance wise, lap times, etc. And when it comes to that, by all accounts up to this point, the R1 is a better weapon.

And 95% of the people I know who are racing the new R1 are NOT being paid for it. They bought the R1 themselves because it was their best bet at winning.

Chaotic said:

Of course. People buy bikes for lots of reasons. If somebody factors things like what the wheels look like or colors or how the decals are angled or .... like that, then the specs are irrelevant.

But we were talking about which bike is better...which typically means performance wise, lap times, etc. And when it comes to that, by all accounts up to this point, the R1 is a better weapon.

And 95% of the people I know who are racing the new R1 are NOT being paid for it. They bought the R1 themselves because it was their best bet at winning.

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Im not talking about decal placement, Im talking about defects in the cast magnesium wheels. I can only speak for the ones I layed my eyes on but they had ridges in them and looked to be painted over. Defects in wheels matter.

Poor quality mag wheels? - Yamaha R1 Forum: YZF-R1 Forums

This is what I observed as well on the model I looked at. I cant speak for the structrual integrity however I can say that no matter what it is car or bike. I wouldnt accept it; no matter what I was going to do with it. Race/track days or street.

Haha, ok.

Personally, I'm not at a level where I can utilize the very top of the range in performance of these bikes. The R1M was my second choice, followed by the s1000rr. What did it for me was the fact that it is a Ducati, which I've drooled over for decades (admittedly at the time or not).

The torque and HP specs (yes, specs - not usable power) were another determining factor, as I didn't ride all 3 bikes. Aesthetics were another. Sound was another. Of course anyone in this realm of bikes wants to have the outright best performer.

When you're a guy like me, who hasn't hit the track in 2 seasons, and when you were last at the track you ran middle of the intermediate pack, I think it would be a while until I could honestly say that I need the absolute best performer (and who knows, maybe that IS the Duc for me).

A way to look at it would be choosing between a ZR1 and Ferrari 599, or the like. Although this analogy isn't accurate for me, as GM has been an integral part of family for 40 years, you get the point. The ZR1 is the performer, but the 599 would be the one to work the emotions a bit more. And possibly drop panties in a few one-hundredths quicker.

It's a cliche now to say "we have so many bikes to chose from that are all better than 99.9% of us". But it still rings true, IMO.

'Just trying to ride a bit better and serenade the senses while doing it. Clear winner for this, for me: Ducati Panigale. I had to use the public bathroom and all of their ...... rough toilet paper cleaning myself up when I first saw an 1199. It would take a lot to move me off of that choice of having a Pani. But come to think of it, it would be almost as awesome as a lean angle indicator (just bugging) to have an R1 with a decal across the windscreen that read "Pani Dropper".

Question:
In the sentence "He is extremely happy ... " where is the subject ?

Answer:
Riding a Pani

R1 is the better track bike, 1299 is the better street/mountain road bike (but not by much). 1299 looks better and is far more unique, R1 is the latest Japanese creation. New ZX-10 will be coming.

Lap times I've seen are actually quite close between the 1299 and R1.

Footnote: comparing the standard R1 to the std 1299, the brakes on the R1 suck and it's neutered power wise from the factory - those were big strikes against it for me