full throttle front wheel doesnt want to go in a straight line.

kope999R · Apr 21, 2013

the more you try to compensate, the more you transfer wobble into the bike. stiffening the damper will make this worse. also : A wheel that skims the surface is not riding it. full forward must do it. i'm big and doing the back straight on aragon the bike didn't flinch under FT. tried upshifting 1K earlier?

WAfatboy · Apr 21, 2013

George Villar said:
Now watch Troy's handlebars when he pushes the 1199 at the same circuit"¦.

One lap with Troy Bayliss on the Ducati 1199 Panigale - - YouTube

Nothing can be done with the handlebars when pushing it some - it's the design in my opinion, my 1198R does something similar but not as pronounced, then again the 1199 Panigale has more power at the higher part of the rev range.

I have not seen a lot of TV footage CHECA on the 1199RS, because he either crashed, or the TV camera did not give him more than a minute in coverage so we couldn't see what the bike was doing. I am looking for the WSBK Qualifying video where CHECA made pole position"¦. then maybe we can see the bike at work. Even WSTK coverage with Barni Race Team and Cenepa or Eddie La Marra footage would be great. Anyone have a link?

Light touch, suspension setup and a tiny bit more steering damper than standard sorted it for me. Haven't had it over 230kmh (at the track) since I made the last of those fixes. Even when the front wheel comes up slightly it feels better now.

Mines still really on the nose under brakes though, haven't quite nailed that yet but better than it was. Trouble is as you get more confident you work it harder!

1199 dreamer · Apr 21, 2013

This is off topic, but why is Niccolo Canepa's dash blacking out the lower half intermittently?
Does this occur on others?

kope999R · Apr 21, 2013

1199 dreamer said:
This is off topic, but why is Niccolo Canepa's dash blacking out the lower half intermittently?
Does this occur on others?

not sure but could be that it is because it is superstock setup and looming and may be 'simpled' out.. this is just a guess, not knowledge..

kope999R · Apr 21, 2013

WAfatboy said:
Light touch, suspension setup and a tiny bit more steering damper than standard sorted it for me. Haven't had it over 230kmh (at the track) since I made the last of those fixes. Even when the front wheel comes up slightly it feels better now.

Mines still really on the nose under brakes though, haven't quite nailed that yet but better than it was. Trouble is as you get more confident you work it harder!

on the nose : is she bottoming out? heavier spring? more comp damping?

Rich22 · Apr 21, 2013

With the Millsport superstock and road race bike they have tried and tested many different set ups and suspension parts, the conclusion in the end is that the rider needs to get use to its out of shape nature as that's how it is and that's how to go fast on it.

Great on track but put that accross to our crappy uk roads and....

WAfatboy · Apr 21, 2013

kope999R said:
on the nose : is she bottoming out? heavier spring? more comp damping?

Nothing as serious as bottoming out, just diving a tiny bit more in the initial braking than I'd like. Still working on the settings but may see if they can check the fork oil as it feels like more oil, if its low or a heavier oil if its not, might help. Will get there in the end, losing some weight has helped

WAfatboy · Apr 21, 2013

Rich22 said:
With the Millsport superstock and road race bike they have tried and tested many different set ups and suspension parts, the conclusion in the end is that the rider needs to get use to its out of shape nature as that's how it is and that's how to go fast on it.

Great on track but put that accross to our crappy uk roads and....

I'd agree, it actually is predictably out of shape regardless.

Rich22 · Apr 21, 2013

Yep it's simply the way it is. We tried everything on my road bike to steady it up but to no avail.

DRSapp · Apr 21, 2013

Yep - the clips looked like blueness as usual for a Panigale being pushed - does get a bit out of shape but very predicable. I've actually come to like its feisty nature. Want everything to stay inline? Get the BMW or a Honda.. well, unless you ride like Marquez..

Charliem90 · Apr 21, 2013

WAfatboy said:
I understand, have you tried also stiffening up the rear suspension, and setting the sag front and rear - mine was squatting so much under hard acceleration it made the front feel light at very high speed.

+1
You nailed it. Bike is squatting and recovering slowly under hard acceleration so the front end is getting too light.
Probably rear spring rate is too light (along with not enough compression damping and too much rebound damping).
Trying to compensate with increased steering damping will only mask the problem. Get suspension sorted first. THEN add steering damping.

George Villar · Apr 21, 2013

BMW = Hold on and let the arms get torn off;

1199 = Don't hold on and let the bars shake and beat you up a little to go fast;

LOL

Cannot compare these 2 bikes!!!

Frosty · Apr 21, 2013

Add some front wheel weights

.

jjsC6 · Apr 21, 2013

I ran the crap out of mine from a first gear roll on up several times today - once to 140. Straight as an arrow.

BTW, the steering stabilizer is not made to fix a "weave", it's made to keep it from head-shaking.

RSR racer · Apr 21, 2013

WAfatboy said:
Light touch, suspension setup and a tiny bit more steering damper than standard sorted it for me. Haven't had it over 230kmh (at the track) since I made the last of those fixes. Even when the front wheel comes up slightly it feels better now.

Mines still really on the nose under brakes though, haven't quite nailed that yet but better than it was. Trouble is as you get more confident you work it harder!

Dial out a little high speed rebound. Should keep it more level at the front end loads under braking.

RSR racer · Apr 21, 2013

Charliem90 said:
+1
You nailed it. Bike is squatting and recovering slowly under hard acceleration so the front end is getting too light.
Probably rear spring rate is too light (along with not enough compression damping and too much rebound damping).
Trying to compensate with increased steering damping will only mask the problem. Get suspension sorted first. THEN add steering damping.

Change only one parameter at a time or you'll never know what the original cause was.

I repeat: dial out a little rear high speed rebound and it should yield positive results. or....increase front high speed compression. (put a zip tie on your lower front fork leg at the top of the travel point and you'll be able to index the front prior to going to the rear if you have not done this already.

Quinten · Apr 22, 2013

exactly that what you see at the video of eddi la marra is what i meant.. the front end being so nervous...

kope999R · Apr 22, 2013

i hardly ever touches the tarmac...

WAfatboy · Apr 22, 2013

RSR racer said:
Change only one parameter at a time or you'll never know what the original cause was.

I repeat: dial out a little rear high speed rebound and it should yield positive results. or....increase front high speed compression. (put a zip tie on your lower front fork leg at the top of the travel point and you'll be able to index the front prior to going to the rear if you have not done this already.

Is that a higher or a lower number for the rebound on the DES on the S?

Cheers

kope999R · Apr 22, 2013

is it Ohlins or marzocchi?

for marzocchi it is normal not to compress fully..

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