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pheelmeh

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I own a 2012 Panigale. I got it used from my buddy at a steal, but there's 1 big issue that's been bugging me that has haunted many 1199 owners: hard starts. Before this becomes a usual hard start thread, I think i've done everything suggested and I still run into this problem. Some facts:

-The bike came from the state of Washington - i believe they run 92 octane.
-The bike is now in California - we run 91 octane. I don't know if this would make a difference.
-I replaced the stock battery with Shorai Lithium
-I removed the charcoal canister
-I called the dealer and it got the TSB map already done
-I disconnected the exhaust valve
-I give it full throttle while holding the start button. Sometimes i'll hear the exhaust stutter but still no luck.
-I run cored exhaust pipes
-I even tried to start it while it's on a tender so its not the battery

Sometimes it takes as long as 10 min to turn over and it gets me paranoid not to ride this thing to places. It actually killed my Shorai last week because i tried to crank it for 15 minutes after it sat in the heat with no luck.

It is stored indoors in a very cool environment and still has starting issues.
 
There's something wrong! How many miles on the clock?
Don't WOT while starting, leave the throttle grip alone, it's an RBW bike.
First guess would be spark plugs.
 
pheelmeh said:
I own a 2012 Panigale. I got it used from my buddy at a steal, but there's 1 big issue that's been bugging me that has haunted many 1199 owners: hard starts. Before this becomes a usual hard start thread, I think i've done everything suggested and I still run into this problem. Some facts:

-The bike came from the state of Washington - i believe they run 92 octane.
-The bike is now in California - we run 91 octane. I don't know if this would make a difference.
-I replaced the stock battery with Shorai Lithium
-I removed the charcoal canister
-I called the dealer and it got the TSB map already done
-I disconnected the exhaust valve
-I give it full throttle while holding the start button. Sometimes i'll hear the exhaust stutter but still no luck.
-I run cored exhaust pipes
-I even tried to start it while it's on a tender so its not the battery

Sometimes it takes as long as 10 min to turn over and it gets me paranoid not to ride this thing to places. It actually killed my Shorai last week because i tried to crank it for 15 minutes after it sat in the heat with no luck.

It is stored indoors in a very cool environment and still has starting issues.
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Leave the throttle alone.
If it is not starting in can only be fuel or spark.

Back in the day you could check both yourself. Bit harder with this. Take it to the mechanic and get them to test for proper ignition and check the injectors.

Good luck. It will be something simple.
 
That's weird mine starts up in 2 cranks. My 1198 though is horrible. Did the bigger cable upgrade and that really helped
 
Double check your work on the charcoal canister removal. May have plugged the wrong line and vented the other.

Also, give the throttle just a little bit of a crack when it has troubles firing up. Definitely not full throttle. I had a hard start issue with my '12. When it would happen a smidgeon of throttle was all it'd need to spark to life.
 
Hero's Right. I only have trouble starting when hot though. Just a tiny little throttle when starting hot.
 
I had problems even after cannister removal. Have dealer reset the throttle position sensor, never had a single problem after.
 
I only recently removed the charcoal canister. Since then, it has helped a little. Example:

I leave it on a tender and i come back a few days ago to start it, it will struggle for 10-15 minutes. Once it starts, it's Ok for the duration of the day I ride it. I come back a few days later, samething: struggles to start, but once it does, it starts up easier.

ODO: 3k
 
btw - i also double checked the lines after the charcoal canister removal - theyre in the right configuration.
 
pheelmeh said:
I only recently removed the charcoal canister. Since then, it has helped a little. Example:

I leave it on a tender and i come back a few days ago to start it, it will struggle for 10-15 minutes. Once it starts, it's Ok for the duration of the day I ride it. I come back a few days later, samething: struggles to start, but once it does, it starts up easier.

ODO: 3k
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Sounds electrical, then. If you've got a 2012 and your battery has seen some abuse (like perhaps it drained all the way, which is supported by the fact your bike has only 3k miles on it), it might just not be holding a charge. Next time it happens jump it. If it starts right up, you know it's your battery. Stock batteries tend to struggle anyways....time for a lithium me thinks!
 
AntiHero said:
Sounds electrical, then. If you've got a 2012 and your battery has seen some abuse (like perhaps it drained all the way, which is supported by the fact your bike has only 3k miles on it), it might just not be holding a charge. Next time it happens jump it. If it starts right up, you know it's your battery. Stock batteries tend to struggle anyways....time for a lithium me thinks!
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I replaced it with a Shorai weeks ago. I don't think its electrical. Even when I attempt to start it plugged into the tender and i watch the battery voltage, it doesn't dip...it only starts dipping after about 10 minutes because it's just draining too much from the battery.

When it tries to crank, you can definitely smell the gas. It sounds like it's trying to "gulp" fuel. Occasionally you'll hear the exhaust make a quick sound like it's about to start, then doesn't. After about 10-15 minutes, it'll fire right up.

It killed my brand new Shorai once because 10-15 minutes of constantly trying to crank will probably kill any battery.
 
DKinsey said:
Take it to the shop?
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It's my next step but I want to avoid that if it could be avoided by any insight here. I think it's related to something with the fuel or ignition. I'm ruling it out as a battery/electronics problem.
 
I'm surprised you haven't smoked your starter already with that much cranking.

Sounds like there is definitely something wrong here however. Hope you find a solution soon.
 
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0612Devil said:
I'm surprised you haven't smoked your starter already with that much cranking.

Sounds like there is definitely something wrong here however. Hope you find a solution soon.
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I would be worried about trashing the rings and cylinders from all that cranking. Being flooded with fuel washing all the lubrication out. I bet it gets the crap reeevvveeed out of it once it starts. I just can't believe this. If I got in my car and cranked on it for 10 minutes I would think there is a problem. The dealer needs to do a compression test to make sure it is not hurt bad from probably a simple little issue. A $100 issue may have turned into a $5000 issue.
 

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