Is the MWR filter worth it?

BellissiMoto said:

Honestly, I was a bit out of line with that post, but the way I was raised, I guess sometimes I expect men to act like men, and this world is becoming so freakin sissified that I need to let out some disappointment in the male sex now and then.

I mean, come on, you're a Ducati rider right? Well then gear up, kiss your (fine ass) girlfriends or wives (should wives be plural?.... hmmm.... possibly) goodbye, then go out and do the extreme.

Survive, come home, ravage your woman, then relax with a beer in the garage while trying to figure out how to do it even better next time.

Don't call me with questions like "I lost a bolt, where can I get one? can you send me one? Just to hear me say "Yes, I can make a special request to Italy for your one missing standardized and readily available bolt, charge you $40 for it to get shipped to me, $6 for me to ship it to you, and $10 for the bolt, or you can simply walk to the hardware store and solve your own problem for about 60 cents, in about 10 minutes, and stop wasting my time".

Don't ask for things for free like as though this world is a charity, Don't expect me to say "gee, if your dyno doesn't register 6HP gained, but say only 5.7HP gained, that I don't believe you should pay me for my ridiculously cheap product".



Okay.... Rant over...



Stw, I don't know if I know you or not, but regardless of late night forum fun and BS, I'm sure you'd be fun to ride with or share a beer afterwards.

That said, it's $159.95... $144 for forum members.

If you can't trust me to deliver on $144 of your dollars, you really should just go shop somewhere else because we thousands of very happy customers who've put much more faith in my word.

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vwjeff said:

Ok so I just read through 7 pages of 90% BS. I ain't no engineer. But with my back ground with turbocharged high performance cars making 4 to 5 times the power they originally made, I want more power, who doesn't? Also being a 15 year vw/audi master tech. This filter seems like a great idea. It only makes sense 1 of the cylinder "could" starve for some air.
I don't want an exhaust, full or slip ons, I can't justify that kind of money for 2 mufflers and 3ft of pipe. If I wanna go fast I'll drive my car What I would be concerned about is the tune after putting this in. Is there an up map as you guys call if for just this filter? Seems as though the guys that have the filter have the pipes to. Because the bike does not have a MAF. Tuning would have to be done. I live at 2500ft of elevation so in theory I "should" already be running leaner than someone at sea level.

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Stw said:

Randy...I have no axe to grind....I asked you to back this product to the hilt and you declined... I understand that and this is your right...Lets not make it a trust issue between me and you... I have spoken with 2 engine builders who specialize in Ducati motors.. and whilst I will not quote what they said about your/MWR claims I have decided the effort/cost required is simply not money well spent....

PS...Beer always sounds good.....

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BellissiMoto said:

Stw, I think it's painfully obvious to anyone that you've asked for quite a bit, and been offered quite a bit.

Bending over backwards for our customers is never really a problem.

Bending over "ass-backwards", is.

Anyhow, I've given tons of information, and posted the names of my references publicly.

You've simply said "I have spoken with 2 engine builders who specialize in Ducati motors.. and whilst I will not quote what they said about your/MWR claims I have decided the effort/cost required is simply not money well spent".

Which is:

1. Vague as hell (you expect a ridiculous amount of verification from me, yet offer none of your own... go figure).

2. Flat out stupid because there are probably 2 Ducati engine builders in the world who actually specialize in the Panigale* engine, which is completely different than all those other Ducati's built before it.

3. Can you show me any other product that can offer HP gains at approximately $25 per HP?

Didn't think so. In fact I would bet the "cost/benefit" of every mod you have done to your bike to date has actually been significantly worse than this filter.

* and those Ducati Panigale engine specialists actually USE our filters, even if the WSS, and WSBK race teams won't run MWR stickers without a 50,000 Euro sponsorship agreement, I know they do use them (actually the majority of WSS race teams actually have MWR filters installed now, despite most having "sprint" filter stickers on their bikes, but that's a story of money), as I know they've purchased them at full retail.

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gatti man said:

Ducati Austin thinks the mwr unit is a good idea. The design does seem like a good idea and air starvation is plausible all things considered.

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Stw said:

Randy


I rode 530 miles today...got rained on and got a speeding ticket so I am probably not in the best mood to respond to this post....However I will...


Firstly...You are selling a product not me....so I see the onus is not on me to prove anything....

Secondly if you are unwilling to back you product any more than simply refunding the cost of the filter then I will draw my own conclusions as to what that means.....and in so doing I will defer to the 2 guys I know that work diligently on Ducati motors and their knowledge of what an air filter can or cannot do... I am not going to quote them on here as I have no right to do so.... I wish you would just accept that I for one have my views and I am am only one person....why so intent on giving my opinion way more credence than it deserves???

You will no doubt sell many of these filters to many different customers... that's awesome....

Not sure why we are even rehashing this..... but stating that race teams have a different sticker on the bike than what product is actually in the bike sounds like a tactic I would have not expected... are you claiming this is common practice????

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gnance said:

so now that you guys drove away rich lets start in on Randy.....

STW please change your name to STFU

it is more fitting.

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BellissiMoto said:

Believe it or not Stw, I'm an honest guy and I have little if anything to hide.

That said, why would I not engage you on this? As a smart business man, I like it when people are discussing my products.

Anyhow, your information and opinions on the matter are simply wrong, and while I'm sure you're a nice guy, and we can be friends, and I'll be happy to offer you the same great level of service, and excellent deals we offer all our other customers, I suppose we will just have to disagree on this topic.

I guarantee that neither of your Ducati Engine geniuses have ever used this filter on this bike, and have probably never even thought about the fact that their dyno can only replicate wind speeds to approximately 80mph, despite the fact that tuning at those power levels would require the flow found at 100-190mph.

So back to reality...

Please do not tell me you believe that the sticker on the side of a race bike correlates to what's actually inside of it.

Race teams, managers, and yes, even the sponsors only want one thing - their bike to WIN.

When their bike is winning, the coverage is exponentially better, and it is exceptionally common to see this tactic.

Hang around the pits in GP, WSBK, WSS, etc... watch the Marzocchi valves and Hyperpro springs go inside of an Ohlins fork. Watch the MWR Air Filter go inside of a bike with Sprint logos on it's side. Watch the Micron stickers get placed on the Akrapovic canisters.

Still don't believe me? Well then I have some magic beans to sell you sir.

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gnance said:

so now that you guys drove away rich lets start in on Randy.....

STW please change your name to STFU

it is more fitting.

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Stw said:

With regards to Rich I think everyone knows he's an Idiot.... I didn't drive him away his attitude was commercial suicide... Randy's attitude has been much more constructive and whilst him and I disagree neither of us have been disagreeable... Its been an exchange of opinions done in the right way..IMHO..

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transdesigner said:

Randy,

Can you just clarify a few things... I'm actually considering this filter now. You're right, for basically the price of a non-functional CF bling add-on, even 4hp is probably worth the price.

1) Is the quoted 6hp gain for the race filter only, or for the HE version too?

2) Is the HE version queiter than stock? It's hard to tell from MWR's comments.

Thanks!

To the forum, I really should've separated the HE from the Race version, in the poll. I'm interested in which version the people reviewing the MWR actually own. I'm really not interested in the frequent cleaning the Race version requires...

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Stw said:

Randy

In reply to your second point regarding the sticker situation..well obviously I have no knowledge of how these things work..but yes naively I have assumed that these bikes are accurately labeled... If you are saying they are not then that is a huge disappointment that teams can be so mendacious as to do this... and may even make me question things even more..

Ok back to the filter... whether I am a nice guy or not isn't the point but I do like that you have at least not descended to the gutter of insults as some vendors have..... However if you were me and had dealt with guys over a long period of time that have built racing Ducatis ...have blue printed engines..have ported and dynoed them etc etc and they say that an Airfilter in of itself cannot give you this kind of boost then what would you do??

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BellissiMoto said:

6-7 HP appears to be the normal gain from the R filter.

The HE usually shows 4.5-6HP gains.

Both gains can be improved further with the Air Filter Adjustment kit.

Their are only two real differences between the R, and the HE filters.

The R has a slightly smaller aluminum plate, and a more open, higher flow filter element.

It stops dirt just as well as the HE filter element, but because it is slightly more open, it is also slightly weaker, and with the even higher air velocities coming around the plate, it is required that you inspect the R filter, clean, and re-oil after each race weekend.

The HE filter requires no more maintenance than your original filter (once a year (twice a year if you ride 10k+ miles in a very dirty environment in one year) cleanings).

Since the vast majority of my mileage is on the streets, and I'm not a fan of adding more maintenance to my bike, I'd choose the HE Filter.


Hope that helps!

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transdesigner said:

Thanks a lot for the advice! Can you comment on the noise though? Even just your opinion of the HE vs stock filter sound? I'm particularly interested in the quote "This new design of air filter has shown a reduction of up to 8db of intake noise in testing as well as an increase in power." 8 db is huuuge... is it really that much quieter? I actually like it loud

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