Is the MWR filter worth it?

IMHO that's really pushing it.

Stw said:

Ok...good start... But am I really going to spend money on a dyno run 2x and fit and then remove the filter if it doesn't work as promised... How about this..... I buy the filter... install it do a before and after dyno run..if the MWR doesn't give me 6-7 Hp as you claim then you pay for my wasted dyno time and the labour time in installing and removing filter...doing that would show me you really do have faith in this product and that it will do as promised....

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Man, you are so anti-vendor. You must have been really, really burned a lot in the past with previous purchases.

JeffD said:

Man, you are so anti-vendor. You must have been really, really burned a lot in the past with previous purchases.

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Lol...why is this anti vendor??? I am asking for a claim to be verified... sorry if that seems unreasonable...

Stw said:

Ok...good start... But am I really going to spend money on a dyno run 2x and fit and then remove the filter if it doesn't work as promised... How about this..... I buy the filter... install it do a before and after dyno run..if the MWR doesn't give me 6-7 Hp as you claim then you pay for my wasted dyno time and the labour time in installing and removing filter...doing that would show me you really do have faith in this product and that it will do as promised....

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Stw.

With life, comes risk, with risk comes reward.

If this is alllllll tooooo much for you to handle, don't do it. In fact, sell your Panigale, and get a harley, with a bell, and some bar tassels.

I'm not the one with trust issues here. What I have said about this filter has already been proven by independent sources. I offered references that you can verify with a 5 minute phone call and see I'm not bullshitting you.

You wanted more still and I agreed.

Now you still complain, well to damn bad. Go buy a BMC, trust me, I don't care that much, and I'll get to laugh after I or any other MWR users pass ya on the track some day in the future.

BellissiMoto said:

Stw.

With life, comes risk, with risk comes reward.

If this is alllllll tooooo much for you to handle, don't do it. In fact, sell your Panigale, and get a harley, with a bell, and some bar tassels.

I'm not the one with trust issues here. What I have said about this filter has already been proven by independent sources. I offered references that you can verify with a 5 minute phone call and see I'm not bullshitting you.

You wanted more still and I agreed.

Now you still complain, well to damn bad. Go buy a BMC, trust me, I don't care that much, and I'll get to laugh after I or any other MWR users pass ya on the track some day in the future.

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Ok...no problem.... and yes when I see a claim of 6-7 hp from a filter I am skeptical...you quote it as risk and reward but your statements on the filter do not claim there is a risk element that the filter may not produce the said results??? so where the risk here?? mine or yours???...
and to be honest I do not see that I am complaining as you call it... but I asked and you said no..I have no issues with that at all....

BellissiMoto said:

3. One of the reasons these engines have failed is due to cracking of cases, due to a power differential that this air filter significantly reduces, therefore reducing the risk of suffering an engine failure due to that reason.

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So are you saying that the difference in cylinder filling is responsible for a lean condition that is causing detonation which is resulting in cracked cases?

Have any flow tests been published to show the degree of imbalance between cylinders?

I have seen third party comparisons of aftermarket intake manifolds that were way out of balance. They all produced good gains but some were out by more than 18%!

Stw said:

Lol...why is this anti vendor??? I am asking for a claim to be verified... sorry if that seems unreasonable...

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I was observing your communication with Bellissimoto and commenting based on this and your attitude towards "the exhaust mfg that shall not be named." (You were justified in that instance as was later proved) Like I said, I see where you're coming from regarding claims by vendors, but your particular request from Randy above was a bit too much, IMHO.

Also, Randy/Bellissimoto has proven on several forums and by many customers (myself admittedly) to be trustworthy and pretty beyond reproach. He's the real deal enthusiast who started a parts company out of his passion for bikes. I actually have a sneaking suspicion that he's independently wealthy and is just doing Bellissimoto for fun. Regardless, he demonstrated his customer service above by offering you a refund if you don't like the verified gains you get from the filter he's promoting.

Regarding the filter, I see all kinds of worthless .... that people buy for their Pani's on here to increase the pose-down factor ("farkle" as Frosty puts it). I like stuff that actually does something for the performance aspect and for what this filter costs compared to the "farkle" is a pittance. Very happy with mine, even though I haven't "verified" the claims yet. Bike runs fantastic with it and the placebo effect I get when twisting the throttle is well worth the price of admission, IMHO.

Going to dyno soon just to verify my AFR numbers and will post to increase the knowledge base.

JeffD said:

I was observing your communication with Bellissimoto and commenting based on this and your attitude towards "the exhaust mfg that shall not be named." (You were justified in that instance as was later proved) Like I said, I see where you're coming from regarding claims by vendors, but your particular request from Randy above was a bit too much, IMHO.

Also, Randy/Bellissimoto has proven on several forums and by many customers (myself admittedly) to be trustworthy and pretty beyond reproach. He's the real deal enthusiast who started a parts company out of his passion for bikes. I actually have a sneaking suspicion that he's independently wealthy and is just doing Bellissimoto for fun. Regardless, he demonstrated his customer service above by offering you a refund if you don't like the verified gains you get from the filter he's promoting.

Regarding the filter, I see all kinds of worthless .... that people buy for their Pani's on here to increase the pose-down factor ("farkle" as Frosty puts it). I like stuff that actually does something for the performance aspect and for what this filter costs compared to the "farkle" is a pittance. Very happy with mine, even though I haven't "verified" the claims yet. Bike runs fantastic with it and the placebo effect I get when twisting the throttle is well worth the price of admission, IMHO.

Going to dyno soon just to verify my AFR numbers and will post to increase the knowledge base.

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I understand totally your point of view...and I cannot deny that the " not to be named" exhaust vendor has increased my leeriness of vendors claims...and perhaps Randy is an undeserved recipient of that ...But in my defence I will again say that a claim of such magnitude seems out of proportion for something as simple as an air filter...Ducati engineers left that much on the table??? shame on them if so....

Stw said:

a claim of such magnitude seems out of proportion for something as simple as an air filter...Ducati engineers left that much on the table??? shame on them if so....

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Fair enough. wilkson seems to have ordered one so maybe he will do a dyno back-to-back. He appears pretty serious about his track toy. WAfatboy should get on board, he spends the most of anyone I've seen to verify his power upgrades...

JeffD said:

Fair enough. wilkson seems to have ordered one so maybe he will do a dyno back-to-back. He appears pretty serious about his track toy. WAfatboy should get on board, he spends the most of anyone I've seen to verify his power upgrades...

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Given the time he has already spent on the dyno I highly doubt Waf wants to go in this direction...But i could be wrong...

BellissiMoto said:

Fuel adjustments are necessary , but these adjustments can go both ways , richer or leaner , this all depents of the construction of the airbox : the position of the airfilter - the space between upper injectors & stacks and variable stacks or not . Follow the instructions of the lambda numbers and the power will come.

Quote from MAHI RACING TEAM INDIA (Kawasaki Factory Racing WSS 600) : "We had the filters tested by Akira Technologies and they told us to go ahead and fit them as there was a considerable improvement from the standard racefilter".

There is one exeption to the rule , the use of the adjustment kit for the 1199 Panigale High Efficient & Full Race filter.

The 1199 has a difference in fuelling between front & rear cylinder from about 9/10% .With the "HE" filter and "R" filter we could drop this difference with 6%.By using the adjustment kit you can open up the top of the plate and "guide" more air to the rear cylinder . By doing this the engine is even more in balance and the engine comes alive . Fuel adjustments are necessary , fuel adjustments of each cylinder separate are necessary . With the std. ECU & Corse ECU this is not possible . Therefore we advise to use a fueldevise what makes this option possible .

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This is along the lines of what I am interested in. If you have more, let me know.

Thanks for posting the info!

Stw said:

I understand totally your point of view...and I cannot deny that the " not to be named" exhaust vendor has increased my leeriness of vendors claims...and perhaps Randy is an undeserved recipient of that ...But in my defence I will again say that a claim of such magnitude seems out of proportion for something as simple as an air filter...Ducati engineers left that much on the table??? shame on them if so....

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The Ducati engineers left something on the table? Come on, let's look at it like it is a business for a moment with global government rules, regulations, profit goals, shareholders (just pretend) and ask yourself, was it the engineers or the accountants?

You think gaining 200 horsepower from intake, exhaust, pulley and tune on a GT500 or ZL1 is because the engineers are shameful? It's getting real deep in here.... I think someone just likes to bitch.

JeffD said:

I was observing your communication with Bellissimoto and commenting based on this and your attitude towards "the exhaust mfg that shall not be named." (You were justified in that instance as was later proved) Like I said, I see where you're coming from regarding claims by vendors, but your particular request from Randy above was a bit too much, IMHO.

Also, Randy/Bellissimoto has proven on several forums and by many customers (myself admittedly) to be trustworthy and pretty beyond reproach. He's the real deal enthusiast who started a parts company out of his passion for bikes. I actually have a sneaking suspicion that he's independently wealthy and is just doing Bellissimoto for fun. Regardless, he demonstrated his customer service above by offering you a refund if you don't like the verified gains you get from the filter he's promoting.

Regarding the filter, I see all kinds of worthless .... that people buy for their Pani's on here to increase the pose-down factor ("farkle" as Frosty puts it). I like stuff that actually does something for the performance aspect and for what this filter costs compared to the "farkle" is a pittance. Very happy with mine, even though I haven't "verified" the claims yet. Bike runs fantastic with it and the placebo effect I get when twisting the throttle is well worth the price of admission, IMHO.

Going to dyno soon just to verify my AFR numbers and will post to increase the knowledge base.

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i can personally confirm several aspects of this post.

Phil said:

i can personally confirm several aspects of this post.

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Which parts???

Stw said:

Which parts???

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section 2 and 3 of his post.

Oh dear, isn't it simple :

if you like your bike as iss, leave it as it is..

if you want more, the price of that filter is possibly a good inporvement as airflow in general and room under the tank over the inlets does seem improvable. some good breathing is probably the cheapest inhancement you could do. just compare to exhausts, timing, cams, etc etc... so why hold such a debate over 200 usd...

i would very much not think that Ducati is a know it all - everything 100% top A ok- engeneering company. By adding style as a top priority, they have to make more comprimises... and just looking at the airbox sure looks like one... so there must be room for improvement. as there is such room for all bikes... Beemer, kwak, honda, yam, they can all be improved upon...

I thought STW was gonna sell his bike anyway....so why bother?

gnance said:

I thought STW was gonna sell his bike anyway....so why bother?

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When did I ever say I was selling my bike???

Honestly, I was a bit out of line with that post, but the way I was raised, I guess sometimes I expect men to act like men, and this world is becoming so freakin sissified that I need to let out some disappointment in the male sex now and then.

I mean, come on, you're a Ducati rider right? Well then gear up, kiss your (fine ass) girlfriends or wives (should wives be plural?.... hmmm.... possibly) goodbye, then go out and do the extreme.

Survive, come home, ravage your woman, then relax with a beer in the garage while trying to figure out how to do it even better next time.

Don't call me with questions like "I lost a bolt, where can I get one? can you send me one? Just to hear me say "Yes, I can make a special request to Italy for your one missing standardized and readily available bolt, charge you $40 for it to get shipped to me, $6 for me to ship it to you, and $10 for the bolt, or you can simply walk to the hardware store and solve your own problem for about 60 cents, in about 10 minutes, and stop wasting my time".

Don't ask for things for free like as though this world is a charity, Don't expect me to say "gee, if your dyno doesn't register 6HP gained, but say only 5.7HP gained, that I don't believe you should pay me for my ridiculously cheap product".



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Stw, I don't know if I know you or not, but regardless of late night forum fun and BS, I'm sure you'd be fun to ride with or share a beer afterwards.

That said, it's $159.95... $144 for forum members.

If you can't trust me to deliver on $144 of your dollars, you really should just go shop somewhere else because we thousands of very happy customers who've put much more faith in my word.

Honestly, I was a bit out of line with that post, but the way I was raised, I guess sometimes I expect men to act like men, and this world is becoming so freakin sissified that I need to let out some disappointment in the male sex now and then.

I mean, come on, you're a Ducati rider right? Well then gear up, kiss your (fine ass) girlfriends or wives (should wives be plural?.... hmmm.... possibly) goodbye, then go out and do the extreme.

Survive, come home, ravage your woman, then relax with a beer in the garage while trying to figure out how to do it even better next time.

Don't call me with questions like "I lost a bolt, where can I get one? can you send me one? Just to hear me say "Yes, I can make a special request to Italy for your one missing standardized and readily available bolt, charge you $40 for it to get shipped to me, $6 for me to ship it to you, and $10 for the bolt, or you can simply walk to the hardware store and solve your own problem for about 60 cents, in about 10 minutes, and stop wasting my time".

Don't ask for things for free like as though this world is a charity, Don't expect me to say "gee, if your dyno doesn't register 6HP gained, but say only 5.7HP gained, that I don't believe you should pay me for my ridiculously cheap product".



Okay.... Rant over...



Stw, I don't know if I know you or not, but regardless of late night forum fun and BS, I'm sure you'd be fun to ride with or share a beer afterwards.

That said, it's $159.95... $144 for forum members.

If you can't trust me to deliver on $144 of your dollars, you really should just go shop somewhere else because we thousands of very happy customers who've put much more faith in my word.