Is the MWR filter worth it?

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Is the MWR filter worth it?

  • Yes

    Votes: 40 60.6%

  • No

    Votes: 26 39.4%
  • Total voters
    66
transdesigner said:
Interesting... a claimed 8db noise reduction versus other filters and it's still louder than stock...seems contradictory. 8db is really a huge number from just an air filter change, and almost harder to swallow than the +6hp gain.
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I know it's not your field, but as an automotive engineer do you see any benefits to the MWR design? As a layman, the design certainly appears unique among filters (BMC/K&N looks to be same design as OEM with different filter media) and the option of the race filter to "tune" the plate position to optimize airflow also seems rational. But again that is my impression with no background in design or engineering.
 
JeffD said:
I know it's not your field, but as an automotive engineer do you see any benefits to the MWR design? As a layman, the design certainly appears unique among filters (BMC/K&N looks to be same design as OEM with different filter media) and the option of the race filter to "tune" the plate position to optimize airflow also seems rational. But again that is my impression with no background in design or engineering.
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You know, at this point, I really should just ask our combustion guys that design intake manifolds and the like what they think about it. But at a high level, my biggest complaint is that Ducati must have some awful engineers working for them if they left 6hp on the table. On cars for example, with normal family cars, cost and reliability are such huge design driving concerns they often outweigh performance, which is why you can get gains from switching to a cold air intake kit for example. When performance gets a higher weighting, like with a Shelby GT500 for example, the engineers are given the green light to spend money and the result is a filter and intake where you wouldn't really get any more performance benefit going aftermarket without taking a big hit to reliability (filtering). I would assume that on a $20-30k "superbike", Ducati would've spent the time and money to optimize the intake for performance, but I could be wrong. Or they just don't infact know what they're doing, which is hard to believe, but may be the case if the MWR tuning plate work as advertised.
 
okay, I am posting again in a motor related thread, though I am clueless and about to quit my engineer job soon ;) my 2ct to this:

MWR claims to improve performance through the plate behind the filter, not just the filter itself. the plate forces the air around it, thereby creating higher velocity and a different fill of the airbox.
combustion has to do with gas resonance for non-supercharged engines and if they can improve it with their design, may it be so.

further ideas on this?
 
Phil said:
okay, I am posting again in a motor related thread, though I am clueless and about to quit my engineer job soon ;) my 2ct to this:

MWR claims to improve performance through the plate behind the filter, not just the filter itself. the plate forces the air around it, thereby creating higher velocity and a different fill of the airbox.
combustion has to do with gas resonance for non-supercharged engines and if they can improve it with their design, may it be so.

further ideas on this?
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if results are within the standard deviation for power variability, ie. differences in weather, rider effort, etc then the cost of power is of low value in my opinion.

if you got the money to spend and you like to spend it, buy it. things do not increase happiness in the long run.

nothing speaks louder than realizing after you begin to make lots of money and buy things and lift your jeep and supercharge your camaro and trick out your panigale that you are the same amount of happy you were before you did those things.

if you put the filter in and make a few more horsepower ask yourself, will it really affect your happiness level? or is it really just fun to ride the bike? when I look at things like that my mod disease stays at bay, which is good because there are lots of mods for lots of machines and I don't mind being addicted.
 
Higgs Boson said:
if results are within the standard deviation for power variability, ie. differences in weather, rider effort, etc then the cost of power is of low value in my opinion.

if you got the money to spend and you like to spend it, buy it. things do not increase happiness in the long run.

nothing speaks louder than realizing after you begin to make lots of money and buy things and lift your jeep and supercharge your camaro and trick out your panigale that you are the same amount of happy you were before you did those things.

if you put the filter in and make a few more horsepower ask yourself, will it really affect your happiness level? or is it really just fun to ride the bike? when I look at things like that my mod disease stays at bay, which is good because there are lots of mods for lots of machines and I don't mind being addicted.
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When you come out of a turn after making a sweet outside pass then pin the throttle and the bike next to you starts to climb back bc he has a few more hp then yeah it matters otherwise nope.
 
gatti man said:
When you come out of a turn after making a sweet outside pass then pin the throttle and the bike next to you starts to climb back bc he has a few more hp then yeah it matters otherwise nope.
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what championship are you trying to win? lol. do you even accrue points? track day? trying to win the practice session? ;):D
 
Phil said:
MWR claims to improve performance through the plate behind the filter, not just the filter itself. the plate forces the air around it, thereby creating higher velocity and a different fill of the airbox.
further ideas on this?
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If their premise is they help raise volumetric efficiency (VE) through an increase in intake velocity it could indeed provide more hp assuming it does not introduce additional turbulence. Six hp though? Consider me a skeptic. Let's see the proof.

transdesigner said:
Ducati must have some awful engineers working for them if they left 6hp on the table. On cars for example, with normal family cars, cost and reliability are such huge design driving concerns they often outweigh performance, which is why you can get gains from switching to a cold air intake kit for example.
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One of the goals of a well designed intake system is too reduce intake noise, at least on "normal family cars". Unfortunately that often means restricting flow. Remove the restriction and viola, POWER!

Personally, I prefer noise coming from the intake, exhaust and motor! Otherwise I would start saving for an electric bike.


Edit- Balancing cylinder filling can improve power output. Would love to see the charts Gunny.
 
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2013RedSabs said:
One of the goals of a well designed intake system is too reduce intake noise, at least on "normal family cars". Unfortunately that often means restricting flow. Remove the restriction and viola, POWER!
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Yes I completely agree! My point was that I would assume that on one of the most aggressive superbikes on the market, Ducati engineers wouldn't have designed for low intake noise or low cost... you'd think they would go for the least restrictive but still reliable design, like my reference to more of a GT500 versus the standard mustang intake. Even on the 1199R that basically comes with the full Termi exhaust... you'd think if there was 6hp left on the intake side to find reliably, they would've done it, because obviously noise wasn't an issue there and it was all about performance.
 
Wow, sorry I've been gone from this thready (forum as a whole) for a couple weeks...

Anyhow you guys crack me up at times, sooo much squabbling over minute details and trying to dissect "how I said" something rather than the actual end result.

Soooo to try to make these points clearer - one FINAL time...

1. You will gain HP by installing this air filter. The normal improvements are between 6-7 HP at the wheel.

2. Ask anyone who has dynoed their bike before and after (I've given examples of people you can ask, and others have chimed in with their own results independently) and you will see that point 1 is confirmed.

3. One of the reasons these engines have failed is due to cracking of cases, due to a power differential that this air filter significantly reduces, therefore reducing the risk of suffering an engine failure due to that reason.


Clear enough?


GREAT!



Now onto more cool and crazy intake tech. This is for Racers and Track enthusiasts with race bodywork only - BellissiMoto - MWR Air Filter Adjustment Kits

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Get it with the filter and Adjustment kit for the ultimate improvement possible.
 
Stw said:
If I buy one of these and do not see a 6-7 hp increase on a dyno do I get a refund??
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Tell ya what, just for you Stw...

Buy the filter, do a before and after dyno run, post your gains.

If you're not happy with the power increase, send it back immediately and I will give you a full refund despite the fact it's now a used filter.

Fair enough?
 
Stw said:
If I buy one of these and do not see a 6-7 hp increase on a dyno do I get a refund??
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I get your point, but don't believe that's fair based on what Randy said. The clear statement in Randy's first point is that "you will gain HP by installing this air filter." Everybody understands that actual gains may vary based on conditions.

Therefore, IMHO a better proposition would be, if you don't gain HP with the installation of the filter (given a before/after dyno run) then you should get a refund.

EDIT: I didn't see Randy's response before my post. You can't ask for better than that. Bellissimoto rocks!
 
Is it hard to get the race filter out for cleaning? I'm ordering one of these through Ducati Austin I believe.
 
gatti man said:
Is it hard to get the race filter out for cleaning? I'm ordering one of these through Ducati Austin I believe.
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For some of the members yes, I'd say no. I don't have the mwr, but the bmc and it's the same idea. I freshed mine once so far.
 
Shouldn't need a tut; 5 screws, fuel line, injectors, filter, donezo. :D

Easiest one I've ever done :p.
 
BellissiMoto said:
Tell ya what, just for you Stw...

Buy the filter, do a before and after dyno run, post your gains.

If you're not happy with the power increase, send it back immediately and I will give you a full refund despite the fact it's now a used filter.

Fair enough?
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Ok...good start... But am I really going to spend money on a dyno run 2x and fit and then remove the filter if it doesn't work as promised... How about this..... I buy the filter... install it do a before and after dyno run..if the MWR doesn't give me 6-7 Hp as you claim then you pay for my wasted dyno time and the labour time in installing and removing filter...doing that would show me you really do have faith in this product and that it will do as promised....
 

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