New Panigale V4 is ugly?

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Is the New Panigale ugly?

  • I like the older look more

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spooky said:
@Steven31371 That is an impressive time improvement.

It would be interesting to see how much of that transfers over when you are on a litre bike.
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Looking at the data alone I think I would be faster on the Ducati. The Ducati turns REALLY well, almost as good as the RC 8C, so I don’t think I’ll lose anything on roll speed through corners between the bikes…I think I’ll lose a 1/4 to 1/2 a second on each braking zone on the Ducati but gain 3/4 to a full second on most straights. I don’t think I’ll gain that much on acceleration off an apex on the Ducati I have, because while the Ducati has more power the RC 8C you can get much harder into the throttle way earlier. Although that’s where the electronics on the new Ducati will probably shine.

Also with regard to getting on throttle coming off a corner, on the RC 8C I find myself comfortable going just over the limits of traction with the rear tire, letting it spin just a tiny bit so I’m using more of the available power, whereas on my model year Ducati I was never REALLY comfortable spinning that back tire a tiny bit coming off a corner. But again the new electronics may inspire more confidence there.
 
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thorny said:
With the astronomical cost of the full exhaust these days, the option you are talking about can get some traction, but will need a proper post with the sound, weight saving and power before and after. If you can offer 80% of gains with decent sound at a fraction of the cost, market could be there.
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The exhaust being more than one third of the price of the base bike is actually quite ridiculous.
 
I think Kramers are best suited for clubsport circuits with tighter layout and for those who do tons of track time and don't need it to be streetable. I never had a chance to ride a lightweight race bike, but I did find Panigale V4 way too much for smaller local circuits and could easily see than a smaller 600 or something like RC8C would have been a better bike for that. On a wider MotoGP circuit Panigale shines. I've never been too concerned with too much electronics and rider aids. You still need to be proper hero to ride a motorcycle fast. You inputs and all fundamentals have to be on point, not to mention your own shape and physical abilities. Pretty much all top bikes now have yaw angle controls both under acceleration and braking, but only fastest riders exploit that. But I do agree, when the brake is applied for the sake of faster lap time it is a bit of a new level of assist - something we didn't have before, but I want it.
 
SuperDomestique said:
This makes no sense. The “stock” S model can be run at MotoGP pace. Base will need suspension, wheels, labor.
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wheels and suspension are quite easy to get, some people sell slightly used ones at less then retail, take a look at the classifieds
Good point on the labor $ tho, this kind of kit is pretty difficult to install.
 
What’s the word on the new R? I’m waiting to order one of those but hearing about a displacement change is not what I want to hear.
 
We have had this discussion before many times around the intro of the first V4, the result was pretty much just get whatever you like because all that matters is what makes you happy.

Sitting back taking potshots at the new and improved model is just an attempt to hold back progress to a level you feel you can manage. The 25 is better, how much in real life for the average Joe- who knows? Personally I really like the 25's looks and am pretty excited by its functionality but I am balls deep into my '22 which I have learned to ride, built up a good track spares inventory etc so I am not in any hurry to upgrade but the thought is there. Maybe next year or in 26?

Anyone now who is considering a new bike should put their order in for the 25, unless the aesthetic of the 24 appeals- there are no wrong answers here. What this boils down to is what are you looking for in your motorcycle experience when you throw a leg over your mechanical horse.
 
If I do well financially in the next 6 months, I'll be getting the new Panigale to be alongside my current M1000XR. If I don't do too well, I may look into the upcoming KTM, but I am leaning heavily towards getting back into the desmo game and for me it is 100% the new bike.

The one thing that bothers me is the cost of the full system. Most likely, I'll be settling for the factory slip-on or something even more creative.
 
thorny said:
If I do well financially in the next 6 months, I'll be getting the new Panigale to be alongside my current M1000XR. If I don't do too well, I may look into the upcoming KTM, but I am leaning heavily towards getting back into the desmo game and for me it is 100% the new bike.

The one thing that bothers me is the cost of the full system. Most likely, I'll be settling for the factory slip-on or something even more creative.
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I got word from the horses mouth that the KTM 990 isn’t gunna be an upgrade over the Kramer/KTM RC 8C….it will only have a few ponies more HP but will weigh considerably more, and the chassis won’t be quite as good as the current offering. Kramer is putting together a flashy new upgraded version of of there GP2 890 RR with Carbon this and Carbon that…that will be better than the KTM 990, especially as the current GP2 890 RR/RC 8C is better than the street homolgated 990 coming out.
 
Paul G said:
We have had this discussion before many times around the intro of the first V4, the result was pretty much just get whatever you like because all that matters is what makes you happy.

Sitting back taking potshots at the new and improved model is just an attempt to hold back progress to a level you feel you can manage. The 25 is better, how much in real life for the average Joe- who knows? Personally I really like the 25's looks and am pretty excited by its functionality but I am balls deep into my '22 which I have learned to ride, built up a good track spares inventory etc so I am not in any hurry to upgrade but the thought is there. Maybe next year or in 26?

Anyone now who is considering a new bike should put their order in for the 25, unless the aesthetic of the 24 appeals- there are no wrong answers here. What this boils down to is what are you looking for in your motorcycle experience when you throw a leg over your mechanical horse.
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I always felt like the guys taking potshots at the new bikes that come out are really just justifying to themselves either not wanting to or not being able to upgrade to the new version. Dunno why you have to take potshots at it to do that though.

I still have my heavily modified 2020 bike, not because I didn’t think the 22 or 24 bikes were better, they just weren’t enough of a leap forward (especially with the mods on my bike) to justify upgrading. This new bike is though, even with a bit of melancholy I feel over its advancements.

Also the more videos I see of the new bike as compared to the still photos the more I like it visually…the bike somehow looks smaller and tighter and more aggressive. Like a fighter that got ripped in training camp.
 
Steven31371 said:
I got word from the horses mouth that the KTM 990 isn’t gunna be an upgrade over the Kramer/KTM RC 8C….it will only have a few ponies more HP but will weigh considerably more, and the chassis won’t be quite as good as the current offering. Kramer is putting together a flashy new upgraded version of of there GP2 890 RR with Carbon this and Carbon that…that will be better than the KTM 990, especially as the current GP2 890 RR/RC 8C is better than the street homolgated 990 coming out.
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the only reason to look into that direction for me will be cost. No doubt all-out race variants are better machines for track use, but honestly, I did think about those, but ultimately figured for me it has to be a "street legal" bike as I have some awesome mountain roads here. Second reason, I used to leave my V4S in full-on track trim between track days sometimes, while riding some naked bike on the street for that period, and I was finding a bit awkward to get on top of the sportbike after a month or so, because ergonomics are so different.

I still maintain some curiosity towards their upcoming 990, and although it may have some strong and unique to KTM points (I absolutely love SuperDuke, for example), but I anticipate it will not be a contender against the Pani.
 
Steven31371 said:
I always felt like the guys taking potshots at the new bikes that come out are really just justifying to themselves either not wanting to or not being able to upgrade to the new version. Dunno why you have to take potshots at it to do that though.

I still have my heavily modified 2020 bike, not because I didn’t think the 22 or 24 bikes were better, they just weren’t enough of a leap forward (especially with the mods on my bike) to justify upgrading. This new bike is though, even with a bit of melancholy I feel over its advancements.

Also the more videos I see of the new bike as compared to the still photos the more I like it visually…the bike somehow looks smaller and tighter and more aggressive. Like a fighter that got ripped in training camp.
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Same scenario as me - happy with my 2020 bike and held out on changes through '24, but already have my order placed for the '25 V4S and looking forward to track days on the new model. Keeping both.
 
Steven31371 said:
I always felt like the guys taking potshots at the new bikes that come out are really just justifying to themselves either not wanting to or not being able to upgrade to the new version. Dunno why you have to take potshots at it to do that though.

I still have my heavily modified 2020 bike, not because I didn’t think the 22 or 24 bikes were better, they just weren’t enough of a leap forward (especially with the mods on my bike) to justify upgrading. This new bike is though, even with a bit of melancholy I feel over its advancements.

Also the more videos I see of the new bike as compared to the still photos the more I like it visually…the bike somehow looks smaller and tighter and more aggressive. Like a fighter that got ripped in training camp.
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The argument against the new bike appears to be down to personal taste, value for money (a non sequitur when you buy a Ducati) and that the upgrades are not that significant or they are unnecessary for the individuals riding experience. None of that matters to Ducati who are a motorcycle company who's ethos is continuous improvement, and this new bike is the best superbike they can make given the constraints of price etc. Just like the '22 was a major step forward, this model is even more so. In a short time it will be accepted as the best Panigale ever and life will move on until the next revolution.

Big picture, we are very fortunate that Ducati are bringing us these outrageous bikes in an environment full of whiny green fun police who want to wrap everyone in cotton wool and make motorcycles into small electric transportation devices.
 

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