New Panigale V4 is ugly?

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Is the New Panigale ugly?

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We have had this discussion before many times around the intro of the first V4, the result was pretty much just get whatever you like because all that matters is what makes you happy.

Sitting back taking potshots at the new and improved model is just an attempt to hold back progress to a level you feel you can manage. The 25 is better, how much in real life for the average Joe- who knows? Personally I really like the 25's looks and am pretty excited by its functionality but I am balls deep into my '22 which I have learned to ride, built up a good track spares inventory etc so I am not in any hurry to upgrade but the thought is there. Maybe next year or in 26?

Anyone now who is considering a new bike should put their order in for the 25, unless the aesthetic of the 24 appeals- there are no wrong answers here. What this boils down to is what are you looking for in your motorcycle experience when you throw a leg over your mechanical horse.
 
If I do well financially in the next 6 months, I'll be getting the new Panigale to be alongside my current M1000XR. If I don't do too well, I may look into the upcoming KTM, but I am leaning heavily towards getting back into the desmo game and for me it is 100% the new bike.

The one thing that bothers me is the cost of the full system. Most likely, I'll be settling for the factory slip-on or something even more creative.
 
thorny said:
If I do well financially in the next 6 months, I'll be getting the new Panigale to be alongside my current M1000XR. If I don't do too well, I may look into the upcoming KTM, but I am leaning heavily towards getting back into the desmo game and for me it is 100% the new bike.

The one thing that bothers me is the cost of the full system. Most likely, I'll be settling for the factory slip-on or something even more creative.
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I got word from the horses mouth that the KTM 990 isn’t gunna be an upgrade over the Kramer/KTM RC 8C….it will only have a few ponies more HP but will weigh considerably more, and the chassis won’t be quite as good as the current offering. Kramer is putting together a flashy new upgraded version of of there GP2 890 RR with Carbon this and Carbon that…that will be better than the KTM 990, especially as the current GP2 890 RR/RC 8C is better than the street homolgated 990 coming out.
 
Paul G said:
We have had this discussion before many times around the intro of the first V4, the result was pretty much just get whatever you like because all that matters is what makes you happy.

Sitting back taking potshots at the new and improved model is just an attempt to hold back progress to a level you feel you can manage. The 25 is better, how much in real life for the average Joe- who knows? Personally I really like the 25's looks and am pretty excited by its functionality but I am balls deep into my '22 which I have learned to ride, built up a good track spares inventory etc so I am not in any hurry to upgrade but the thought is there. Maybe next year or in 26?

Anyone now who is considering a new bike should put their order in for the 25, unless the aesthetic of the 24 appeals- there are no wrong answers here. What this boils down to is what are you looking for in your motorcycle experience when you throw a leg over your mechanical horse.
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I always felt like the guys taking potshots at the new bikes that come out are really just justifying to themselves either not wanting to or not being able to upgrade to the new version. Dunno why you have to take potshots at it to do that though.

I still have my heavily modified 2020 bike, not because I didn’t think the 22 or 24 bikes were better, they just weren’t enough of a leap forward (especially with the mods on my bike) to justify upgrading. This new bike is though, even with a bit of melancholy I feel over its advancements.

Also the more videos I see of the new bike as compared to the still photos the more I like it visually…the bike somehow looks smaller and tighter and more aggressive. Like a fighter that got ripped in training camp.
 
Steven31371 said:
I got word from the horses mouth that the KTM 990 isn’t gunna be an upgrade over the Kramer/KTM RC 8C….it will only have a few ponies more HP but will weigh considerably more, and the chassis won’t be quite as good as the current offering. Kramer is putting together a flashy new upgraded version of of there GP2 890 RR with Carbon this and Carbon that…that will be better than the KTM 990, especially as the current GP2 890 RR/RC 8C is better than the street homolgated 990 coming out.
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the only reason to look into that direction for me will be cost. No doubt all-out race variants are better machines for track use, but honestly, I did think about those, but ultimately figured for me it has to be a "street legal" bike as I have some awesome mountain roads here. Second reason, I used to leave my V4S in full-on track trim between track days sometimes, while riding some naked bike on the street for that period, and I was finding a bit awkward to get on top of the sportbike after a month or so, because ergonomics are so different.

I still maintain some curiosity towards their upcoming 990, and although it may have some strong and unique to KTM points (I absolutely love SuperDuke, for example), but I anticipate it will not be a contender against the Pani.
 
Steven31371 said:
I always felt like the guys taking potshots at the new bikes that come out are really just justifying to themselves either not wanting to or not being able to upgrade to the new version. Dunno why you have to take potshots at it to do that though.

I still have my heavily modified 2020 bike, not because I didn’t think the 22 or 24 bikes were better, they just weren’t enough of a leap forward (especially with the mods on my bike) to justify upgrading. This new bike is though, even with a bit of melancholy I feel over its advancements.

Also the more videos I see of the new bike as compared to the still photos the more I like it visually…the bike somehow looks smaller and tighter and more aggressive. Like a fighter that got ripped in training camp.
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Same scenario as me - happy with my 2020 bike and held out on changes through '24, but already have my order placed for the '25 V4S and looking forward to track days on the new model. Keeping both.
 
Steven31371 said:
I always felt like the guys taking potshots at the new bikes that come out are really just justifying to themselves either not wanting to or not being able to upgrade to the new version. Dunno why you have to take potshots at it to do that though.

I still have my heavily modified 2020 bike, not because I didn’t think the 22 or 24 bikes were better, they just weren’t enough of a leap forward (especially with the mods on my bike) to justify upgrading. This new bike is though, even with a bit of melancholy I feel over its advancements.

Also the more videos I see of the new bike as compared to the still photos the more I like it visually…the bike somehow looks smaller and tighter and more aggressive. Like a fighter that got ripped in training camp.
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The argument against the new bike appears to be down to personal taste, value for money (a non sequitur when you buy a Ducati) and that the upgrades are not that significant or they are unnecessary for the individuals riding experience. None of that matters to Ducati who are a motorcycle company who's ethos is continuous improvement, and this new bike is the best superbike they can make given the constraints of price etc. Just like the '22 was a major step forward, this model is even more so. In a short time it will be accepted as the best Panigale ever and life will move on until the next revolution.

Big picture, we are very fortunate that Ducati are bringing us these outrageous bikes in an environment full of whiny green fun police who want to wrap everyone in cotton wool and make motorcycles into small electric transportation devices.
 
bp_SFV4 said:
I don't know man. It's good and brings a lot of cool neat features but it better do all that and more. With the price creep and what they're asking for a S model, let alone to put an exhaust on, it better have some cool tricks up it's sleeve. An S model with the Akra system is now $42,595.00 without labor to install it, dealer fees, or taxes. I mean, yikes...compared to 2021, that same cost would be $34,195.00.

If you took that $8,400 and invested in classes and track days you'd likely ride around the outside of someone on a 2025.
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Hi bp_SFV4.

I'm not really contesting what you are saying, but we've just gone through 35% inflation. So, that's not price creep, its good ole .gov spending inflation. $34,195 x 1.35 (35% inflation) is actually $46,163. $42,595 is ONLY 24.5% inflation. The cost of the bike in real money is actually down from what it should be, but don't fret, it will jump to equalize the rest of the way soon.
 
RocketSFV4 said:
ONLY 24.5% inflation
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The "ONLY" part is hilarious. Did ones pay/small business profit increase by 24.5% in the same or slightly time frame?

I'm sure the inflation situation will normalize, the fed dropped the interest rate by .5% with more drops coming. Which seems typical going into an election cycle where they want to retain the incumbent, but I digress.

I'm not trying to blow my nut on a bike considering that for track riding there's many more expenses that go into it. Be it track time, training, gear, transportation, hotel, etc.

If one is operating in the left right limits of a typical upper middle class budget, $43K on the bike alone doesn't make sense.

Not shitting on the new bike at all. If my garage was empty, it's what I would get. It's leaps and bounds above its competitors. But, if you have a sorted out Ducati in your garage now, and skill and track time investment make the most sense, is it the logical buy? I don't think so.

I still kind of want one.
 
KarlKani said:
Yamaha jsut came out with a 2025 R1 if anyone wants something boring with some wings
Engine // chassis still great - and dare I say they took a page out of Ducati book and used BREMBO brakes and master...WOWOWOW
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Brembo MC and Stylema... they have finally sorted out the braking!

You'd want a load of spare wings... 🫣

Any idea what a Race or GYTR comes out at with decent (not silly money) suspension?
 
Paul G said:
The argument against the new bike appears to be down to personal taste, value for money (a non sequitur when you buy a Ducati) and that the upgrades are not that significant or they are unnecessary for the individuals riding experience. None of that matters to Ducati who are a motorcycle company who's ethos is continuous improvement, and this new bike is the best superbike they can make given the constraints of price etc. Just like the '22 was a major step forward, this model is even more so. In a short time it will be accepted as the best Panigale ever and life will move on until the next revolution.

Big picture, we are very fortunate that Ducati are bringing us these outrageous bikes in an environment full of whiny green fun police who want to wrap everyone in cotton wool and make motorcycles into small electric transportation devices.
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Speaking of the ‘green’ regulations…I can’t wait to see what Deussen can do with this new bike…I feel like the EU and especially the US regulations that nerf the bike a bit are bigger than ever, and so the results of tuning them out will be bigger than ever, especially in the US where the bike gets neutered for sound as much as C0’2 output.
 
My take on this is that I have a fully sorted, low mileage, track-ready 2020 V4. The resale prices are dropping pretty quickly.

I can go to a wonderful MotoGP circuit in Europe for 3 days for about £2k. By the 3rd day, my laptimes will have improved by well over 5 seconds through familiarisation, based on day 1 - more if I have some instruction. If I was to return to the track for another 3 days within a month or two (another £2k), my laptimes would improve again by min 2 seconds - more with a bit of instruction.

So I am getting faster through seat time than I would if I dropped £30k on a 2025 V4 that probably would not make much difference to my existing laptime (on a like for like basis) - and I am enjoying the bike. So, at my level (and I'm probably close to the Ducati target demographic), in terms of getting faster (which is Ducati's main selling point for the 2025 model), I am better off with more track time (and instruction).

At some point, I would like the 2025 iteration, but not until I could exploit the tech more fully, all the usual Ducati problems have surfaced and when the initial hype and marketing BS have died down. I am neutral on the looks and the DSSA.

In a world of clickbait, YouTube attention grabbing titles to get more clicks, I take any launch of a new bile with a massive sack of salt, frankly.
 
cl955 said:
My take on this is that I have a fully sorted, low mileage, track-ready 2020 V4. The resale prices are dropping pretty quickly.

I can go to a wonderful MotoGP circuit in Europe for 3 days for about £2k. By the 3rd day, my laptimes will have improved by well over 5 seconds through familiarisation, based on day 1 - more if I have some instruction. If I was to return to the track for another 3 days within a month or two (another £2k), my laptimes would improve again by min 2 seconds - more with a bit of instruction.

So I am getting faster through seat time than I would if I dropped £30k on a 2025 V4 that probably would not make much difference to my existing laptime (on a like for like basis) - and I am enjoying the bike. So, at my level (and I'm probably close to the Ducati target demographic), in terms of getting faster (which is Ducati's main selling point for the 2025 model), I am better off with more track time (and instruction).

At some point, I would like the 2025 iteration, but not until I could exploit the tech more fully, all the usual Ducati problems have surfaced and when the initial hype and marketing BS have died down. I am neutral on the looks and the DSSA.

In a world of clickbait, YouTube attention grabbing titles to get more clicks, I take any launch of a new bile with a massive sack of salt, frankly.
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It would be interesting to ride them back to back and see what difference the chassis, electronics and rear brake feature actually make.

DDA improvements are welcome. The price is not so welcome. 😂
 
spooky said:
It would be interesting to ride them back to back and see what difference the chassis, electronics and rear brake feature actually make.

DDA improvements are welcome. The price is not so welcome. 😂
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DDA on the old bike (2018) was far from fantastic, lap timer not clicking off laps as it should, and software was just abysmal IMO. It was pretty much a necessity to run Solo lap timer. It looked like the new system worked much better on the launch, not sure why they mentioned it wasn't immediately available to the customers, but it gives me hope that they finally sorted this out for 2025..
 
thorny said:
DDA on the old bike (2018) was far from fantastic, lap timer not clicking off laps as it should, and software was just abysmal IMO. It was pretty much a necessity to run Solo lap timer. It looked like the new system worked much better on the launch, not sure why they mentioned it wasn't immediately available to the customers, but it gives me hope that they finally sorted this out for 2025..
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I would guess that analysis software is not yet available. If it is wireless and you can use an iPad then that would be awesome. I might be hoping for too much…
 

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