New Panigale V4 is ugly?

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  • I like the older look more

  • I like the new design best

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Even Chad doesn’t believe the 25 is 4-5 sec faster than the 22. Also looks like his shifting choices limited the 22. Gearing isn’t changed so that’s probably where the data engineer really helped.

New geometry probably feels more easy to get into the corner. Rake is 24° and trail is 98 mm. I’ve copied these settings over to my bike so will be interested to test this out this weekend to see if there’s a noticeable difference.

 
Steven31371 said:
Thanks but I’m still over braking and tipping in too slow, contributing to slower roll speed through the corners, which in turn gives me less speed off the apex down the straight…and ultimately lower top end speed on the straight. I’m 8 to 10 mph slower than the fast guys rolling through a corner which leaves me 10 or 12 mph slower at peak speed on the straights.

Working on it though. One area that I surprise myself a bit, or take heart in, is that on a lot of these comparison laps with faster guys I’m getting on throttle a little harder a little earlier, and am getting comfortable slipping the rear wheel a bit on that acceleration, which I hope will serve me well when I get the braking improved and corner roll speed up.

Fitness is key too…I’ve lost a lot of weight improved both my strength and mobility. But need more and more cardio the faster I get. I can do 10 or 15 laps before totally physically bonking, but I’m tired enough after 6 to 8 laps that I start losing concentration. Your fitness has to be soooo high to ride these bikes. You can’t just be fit enough to do the laps, you gotta be fit enough to do the laps with so much in the tank that you can stay focused and sharp the whole time.
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Interesting coincidence - I have the same issue. Got coaching from PJ Jacobsen this week at COTA and that was his main critique of my riding.
 
SuperDomestique said:
Even Chad doesn’t believe the 25 is 4-5 sec faster than the 22. Also looks like his shifting choices limited the 22. Gearing isn’t changed so that’s probably where the data engineer really helped.

New geometry probably feels more easy to get into the corner. Rake is 24° and trail is 98 mm. I’ve copied these settings over to my bike so will be interested to test this out this weekend to see if there’s a noticeable difference.

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Do tell how you adjusted your geometry to achieve this? How are you measuring you calculating your rake + trail?
 
KarlKani said:
I actually don't have to think about it, I have motospec. You can get close with your bike - but it wouldn't be good. Unless you have a not oem linkage
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Sure there’s a bit of compromise. Dropping the forks 4 mm gets to 98,9 mm trail and pending suspension setup you’re in the realm. Anti-squat change is minimal per my calcs. My gearing change was a bigger anti-squat difference. Also no need to fuss w offset or bearing cups.
 
DarR said:
For the purpose of this thread and to keep on topic, It's irrelevant that the 2025 is better.
More than 85% voted that the bike is not as good looking as its predecessor.
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For some of us, the looks are ‘mostly’ irrelevant.

I personally find function to be beautiful in form, but that just me.

If you look at the MotoGp bikes without a livery it’s remarkable how similar the 2025 bike is to the MotoGP fairings. At least compared to the old bike.
 

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DarR said:
For the purpose of this thread and to keep on topic, It's irrelevant that the 2025 is better.
More than 85% voted that the bike is not as good looking as its predecessor.
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What's the consequence of that though, a vote on a forum to a very limited audience about a very subjective thing?
 
I think some of the funky look to the front end is due to the painted wings. If they were black or carbon fiber it would look better. I liked that look when I was playing with the render tool on Ducati’s site.
 
I'm in the minority. I like the new one better. In fact I haven't been tempted by any the of the V4's until now. But alas, I will wait for the 27 model 100th anniversary to go next to my 1299 90th anniversary.
 
Is a disappointment in terms of looks in real life
 

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