New Panigale V4 is ugly?

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Steven31371 said:
I have an app on my phone that connects wirelessly to my KTM and gives me an immediate visualization of my laps the previous session, with throttle position, brake force, lean angle, roll speed through corners, where you went on throttle and on brakes and how hard etc, it’s sooo cool and helpful trackside. Couldn’t be ergonomically easier to use. Ducati needs to catch up to that! There’s no ‘process’ to it. After each session I connect my phone to the bike WiFi, download the session, then review it between sessions.
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Perfect.
 
Steven31371 said:
I have an app on my phone that connects wirelessly to my KTM and gives me an immediate visualization of my laps the previous session, with throttle position, brake force, lean angle, roll speed through corners, where you went on throttle and on brakes and how hard etc, it’s sooo cool and helpful trackside. Couldn’t be ergonomically easier to use. Ducati needs to catch up to that! There’s no ‘process’ to it. After each session I connect my phone to the bike WiFi, download the session, then review it between sessions.
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Wow, that’s fk’g cool!
 
craig bush said:
Wow, that’s fk’g cool!
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I believe it uses a system from AIM, but Steven can confirm.

I have a feeling that even the Solo 2 allows wireless connection but they don’t have an app. I think he is using a third-party app that he has mentioned before.

I could be wrong though, and maybe the KTM has something bespoke.
 
Paul G said:
Just in case you thought it was the bike and not your skills
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This was at DRE in Laguna in July. Pretty impressive how much control they have with the bike. The bike is literally tucking the front end into the corner and rear is at the limit out of T11. I’d say Kayla Yaakov probably had the best bike control out of everyone there followed by Herrin.
 
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The coolest bit is that you can choose a faster lap on a similar bike and stack it over yours to see where and how the other guy was faster. Here we have a 2:07 lap paired with a 1:52 lap.

 
craig bush said:
Nice riding 👍
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I’m still slow but getting better. I can still see where I can grab several more seconds, but soon I’ll need some more top level coaching. Honestly I wasn’t fast enough to benefit from coaching with some of the pro or ex-pro riders before, but I’m on the cusp now.
 
Steven31371 said:
I’m still slow but getting better. I can still see where I can grab several more seconds, but soon I’ll need some more top level coaching. Honestly I wasn’t fast enough to benefit from coaching with some of the pro or ex-pro riders before, but I’m on the cusp now.
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Your lines look really good.
 
craig bush said:
Your lines look really good.
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Thanks but I’m still over braking and tipping in too slow, contributing to slower roll speed through the corners, which in turn gives me less speed off the apex down the straight…and ultimately lower top end speed on the straight. I’m 8 to 10 mph slower than the fast guys rolling through a corner which leaves me 10 or 12 mph slower at peak speed on the straights.

Working on it though. One area that I surprise myself a bit, or take heart in, is that on a lot of these comparison laps with faster guys I’m getting on throttle a little harder a little earlier, and am getting comfortable slipping the rear wheel a bit on that acceleration, which I hope will serve me well when I get the braking improved and corner roll speed up.

Fitness is key too…I’ve lost a lot of weight improved both my strength and mobility. But need more and more cardio the faster I get. I can do 10 or 15 laps before totally physically bonking, but I’m tired enough after 6 to 8 laps that I start losing concentration. Your fitness has to be soooo high to ride these bikes. You can’t just be fit enough to do the laps, you gotta be fit enough to do the laps with so much in the tank that you can stay focused and sharp the whole time.
 
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I’ve been trying to brake later and later but it’s not helping because I’m still grabbing too much brake regardless of how late I brake.

This weekend I’m going to focus on not trying to brake later, but instead to brake less, i.e. grab less brake.

The key point I was trying to make is how ergonomically easy the data is to access with easy to read and make use of track visualizations while at the track between each session.

When I said I’m curious about how ergonomic Ducati will make the actual usage of all the data logging features this is what I’m comparing it to.
 
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Even Chad doesn’t believe the 25 is 4-5 sec faster than the 22. Also looks like his shifting choices limited the 22. Gearing isn’t changed so that’s probably where the data engineer really helped.

New geometry probably feels more easy to get into the corner. Rake is 24° and trail is 98 mm. I’ve copied these settings over to my bike so will be interested to test this out this weekend to see if there’s a noticeable difference.

 
Steven31371 said:
Thanks but I’m still over braking and tipping in too slow, contributing to slower roll speed through the corners, which in turn gives me less speed off the apex down the straight…and ultimately lower top end speed on the straight. I’m 8 to 10 mph slower than the fast guys rolling through a corner which leaves me 10 or 12 mph slower at peak speed on the straights.

Working on it though. One area that I surprise myself a bit, or take heart in, is that on a lot of these comparison laps with faster guys I’m getting on throttle a little harder a little earlier, and am getting comfortable slipping the rear wheel a bit on that acceleration, which I hope will serve me well when I get the braking improved and corner roll speed up.

Fitness is key too…I’ve lost a lot of weight improved both my strength and mobility. But need more and more cardio the faster I get. I can do 10 or 15 laps before totally physically bonking, but I’m tired enough after 6 to 8 laps that I start losing concentration. Your fitness has to be soooo high to ride these bikes. You can’t just be fit enough to do the laps, you gotta be fit enough to do the laps with so much in the tank that you can stay focused and sharp the whole time.
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Interesting coincidence - I have the same issue. Got coaching from PJ Jacobsen this week at COTA and that was his main critique of my riding.
 
craig bush said:
Interesting coincidence - I have the same issue. Got coaching from PJ Jacobsen this week at COTA and that was his main critique of my riding.
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Aren’t PJ Jacobson and Corey Alexander on the same team? Corey is sorta our local pro that does coaching at Chuck…Jason Pridmore too.
 
SuperDomestique said:
Even Chad doesn’t believe the 25 is 4-5 sec faster than the 22. Also looks like his shifting choices limited the 22. Gearing isn’t changed so that’s probably where the data engineer really helped.

New geometry probably feels more easy to get into the corner. Rake is 24° and trail is 98 mm. I’ve copied these settings over to my bike so will be interested to test this out this weekend to see if there’s a noticeable difference.

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Do tell how you adjusted your geometry to achieve this? How are you measuring you calculating your rake + trail?
 
I actually don't have to think about it, I have motospec. You can get close with your bike - but it wouldn't be good. Unless you have a not oem linkage
 

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