New Panigale V4 is ugly?

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My one concern about the bike is what can you modify without messing up all those fancy electronics. So I put a call in to Ducati…apperently you can get the V4 Base, switch out to a more track spec shock and fork, and it doesn’t mess with all the new fancy electronics at all.

So that’s what I’ll be doing. I think I’m gunna just do the Akra race cans too versus the full under tail exhaust. Only 2 or so CLAIMED hp difference between the two and only 1.2 pounds difference in weight. Plus I just don’t like the under tail stuff for a track day bike…cause when ya lay it down they are more exposed.

Planned mods are the lightest wheels I can find, lightest rotating assembly with the sprockets and chain I can find for it, the dry clutch, the newer version that’s 2 kilos lighter, upgraded shock and forks, brake MC, a tune, and cut as much weight out of it as I can. It’s a heavy bike, so will be interesting to see if I can get it below 400 pounds.

There will probably be a lighter track rear subframe out for it very soon.
 
Are you seriously considering a tri? For your given use case, it seems like a waste. No doubt Ducati will put a price premium on a tri, but it will be all farkles.

2025 base with what you outlined will shape up to be an interesting bike for sure.
 
bp_SFV4 said:
Are you seriously considering a tri? For your given use case, it seems like a waste. No doubt Ducati will put a price premium on a tri, but it will be all farkles.

2025 base with what you outlined will shape up to be an interesting bike for sure.
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Oh no chance I’ll buy their tri, I’m just curious what this new bike looks like with a livery on it. If I like it enough I might get track fairings that color, but mostly I’m just curious
 
Steven31371 said:
My one concern about the bike is what can you modify without messing up all those fancy electronics. So I put a call in to Ducati…apperently you can get the V4 Base, switch out to a more track spec shock and fork, and it doesn’t mess with all the new fancy electronics at all.

So that’s what I’ll be doing. I think I’m gunna just do the Akra race cans too versus the full under tail exhaust. Only 2 or so CLAIMED hp difference between the two and only 1.2 pounds difference in weight. Plus I just don’t like the under tail stuff for a track day bike…cause when ya lay it down they are more exposed.

Planned mods are the lightest wheels I can find, lightest rotating assembly with the sprockets and chain I can find for it, the dry clutch, the newer version that’s 2 kilos lighter, upgraded shock and forks, brake MC, a tune, and cut as much weight out of it as I can. It’s a heavy bike, so will be interesting to see if I can get it below 400 pounds.

There will probably be a lighter track rear subframe out for it very soon.
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With wheels and a lithium battery it shouldn’t be heavier than the S? Take off 6kg with the exhaust (apparently no slicks software with that exhaust - only with the full system according to the configurator). Track bodywork takes away lights and sound deadening. Where do you go from there?

Dry clutch is something I’d prefer over wet. I’m not quite sure why it needs to cost what they are charging though, other than the obligatory Ducati tax.

I think the low exhaust makes more sense.

I do wonder if the suspension on the S is actually limiting in any way and if it’s still better to get a base and upgrade (the rear shock for sure so it can be sprung correctly but apparently the front Showa are actually not bad)?
 
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ducfan69 said:
I just like the sound of the dry clutch, but can't say that even on track I felt a difference between my S wet and R dry clutches. Am I retarded, or do y'all feel a difference?
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No idea as I’ve only used the dry clutch on track, but I like the idea of clutch material not going into the oil, which I believe is one advantage (happy to be corrected). I’ve done quite a bit of time between oil changes on track and the oil always comes out as clear as it was when I put it in.

If there’s zero advantage then I’d be happy to save the money required to add a dry clutch to the new V4 if I get one.
 
ducfan69 said:
I just like the sound of the dry clutch, but can't say that even on track I felt a difference between my S wet and R dry clutches. Am I retarded, or is there a performance difference on track that y'all are wanting by changing an S clutch to dry?
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The new dry clutch they developed a year or two ago is a several pounds lighter in the rotating assembly, that’s huge. And less total oil so a bit more weight savings there. Marginal gains on it having a bit less parasitic loss to engine power.
 
Steven31371 said:
Man I’m not one of the guys here that thinks EVERYTHING you say is idiotic, or hypocritical…but this post is 😂😂😂

A Pani without a dry clutch is like…umm, a Pani without a double sided swingarm😀

Weren’t you the one going on and on about not having a double sided swingarm?

Also, it’s like 2 kilo’s lighter in rotating mass that dry clutch.
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If you think what I say is idiotic or hypocritical, that’s on you. Its surprising that most of the forum can’t follow along.

I think you’ve got your wires crossed. Never once advocated for DSSA.

And 1% weight reduction at the crank is not going to do dick. That’s the whole purpose of the counter-rotating crank.

Just keep it simple. I’ll give you the wheels (you’ll probably get a 3-4% weight reduction there). But all you really need for a good any bike is good suspension, tires, and ergos. The rest is up to you.
 
SuperDomestique said:
If you think what I say is idiotic or hypocritical, that’s on you. Its surprising that most of the forum can’t follow along.

I think you’ve got your wires crossed. Never once advocated for DSSA.

And 1% weight reduction at the crank is not going to do dick. That’s the whole purpose of the counter-rotating crank.

Just keep it simple. I’ll give you the wheels (you’ll probably get a 3-4% weight reduction there). But all you really need for a good any bike is good suspension, tires, and ergos, and the magical 100mm trail don't forget the magical number!!!!:rolleyes:
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SuperDomestique said:
The rest is up to you.
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I agree with SD on this, wet clutches are more practical for the street and trackday rider. Racing is another story but if you want a dry clutch, go for it but they have downsides in terms of extra maintenance..Lets look at it practically for a moment, the key advantages are easy replacement of plates and springs, the slipper function is better, there is less rotating mass and no plate debris in the oil. The downsides are that the unit is a wear item and if you run it hard you will be replacing plates and baskets with some regularity, they are also noisy which may or my not be a feature. Getting back to the why, there is no reason whatsoever to put a dry clutch on a V4 Panigale if you want to cut fast laps at a trackday but it does look and sound very cool.
 
Paul G said:
I agree with SD on this, wet clutches are more practical for the street and trackday rider. Racing is another story but if you want a dry clutch, go for it but they have downsides in terms of extra maintenance..Lets look at it practically for a moment, the key advantages are easy replacement of plates and springs, the slipper function is better, there is less rotating mass and no plate debris in the oil. The downsides are that the unit is a wear item and if you run it hard you will be replacing plates and baskets with some regularity, they are also noisy which may or my not be a feature. Getting back to the why, there is no reason whatsoever to put a dry clutch on a V4 Panigale if you want to cut fast laps at a trackday but it does look and sound very cool.
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I thought a clutch was a wear item regardless of whether it’s wet or dry…

Easier maintenance, no debris in the oil that lubricates the engine (this sounds like it’s a big one?), better slipper function and less rotating mass seems to be an overwhelming argument in favour of them?
 
I change my own clutch plates, it’s a pretty simple job that doesn’t take too long with the dry clutch. Easier to do with a dry clutch versus wet clutch…or at least it’s less messing lol
 
Dry clutch replacement is 2-3k mi with frequent checks and reshimming vs 15k+ mi with basically no maintenance on a wet one. Also, considering a V4 motor won't make it past 15k mi of track use basically the clutch is maintenance free
 
The dry/wet debate among Ducati enthusiasts is less prevalent that it used to be, maybe there is a newer crew riding mosty wet clutch bikes? Dry was a brand signature with the rattle and character but times have changed and Ducati put the dry clutch where it belongs, on the up market "race" versions. The rest of the sportsbike world uses wet on the road with no ill effect, but if you want that special sound and feeling its in the catalogue for you. Rick had the R and base, he commented that he preferred the wet even for racing so I guess its all personal taste.
 

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