New Panigale V4 is ugly?

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Good synopsis of the 24 v 25



I know I’m beating a dead horse but if you don’t think this was an accounting experiment, then why did Ducati go away from Marchesini branded forged wheels on the S model? Bringing the wheels “in house” (ironically I’d bet they’re outsourcing them to China) allows them to recoup even more margins. I’d also argue that the fairing design is simpler (less vents and complex shapes) and cheaper to manufacturer. Also interesting that they’re charging $2k more for the 25 S model when the base model only increases $1k year-over-year. They’re really trying to squeeze their customers. Shenanigans.

Odd that they mention using the SL shift drum… Anyone know what’s so special about the SL transmission? Maybe it’s a bit more durable?
 
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KarlKani said:
if you are the S customer - you are the fool. So what's the point in continually complaining about it?
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Great marketing strategy to bend over your customers. Though I’m not surprised. Ducatisti aren’t the sharpest tools in the shed as evidence this forum haha 😂

If you think the increase in price is bad for the S, it’s going to be even worse for the R. Not sure how you rationalize ponying up $45k+ to race amateurs or do trackdays when there’s cheaper and more competitive machinery out there. Who’s really the fool?
 
SuperDomestique said:
Great marketing strategy to bend over your customers. Though I’m not surprised. Ducatisti aren’t the sharpest tools in the shed as evidence this forum haha 😂

If you think the increase in price is bad for the S, it’s going to be even worse for the R. Not sure how you rationalize ponying up $45k+ to race amateurs or do trackdays when there’s cheaper and more competitive machinery out there. Who’s really the fool?
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Living proof they aren't. R is price capped by FIM rules at 44k 😎
 
Only a grand more for all that new technology, extremely good value and as Karl suggests no point paying a premium for the S when the 25 base with a set of good wheels and a shock is all you need for the track.
 
toshy said:
Living proof they aren't. R is price capped by FIM rules at 44k 😎
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I wouldn’t be surprised if Ducati lobbies the FIM to increase the homologation price limit just to gouge a bit more. R owners already got pegged with a $5k price increase from 19 to 23. $50k doesn’t seem too far off
 
Paul G said:
Only a grand more for all that new technology, extremely good value and as Karl suggests no point paying a premium for the S when the 25 base with a set of good wheels and a shock is all you need for the track.
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You drink too much… $3k for wheels + $3k for suspension added to the base price $26k so $32k (not including labor/time/frustration). An S costs $33k and has EC 3.0 and is easier to setup. So not sure where you’re coming up with this value proposition.

I’m glad I got in at $30k bc no way I’d be paying $34k for this debatably minor update. Just for comparison, if this price increase was for inflation only it’d be 7.5% or what you’re paying for a 24 model. But you’re actually paying 13% more for the 25 S so 5.5% of that difference is easy margin.

The more I look into Ducati’s financial, the more you see the greed. 2019 7%, 2020 4% (pandemic), 2021 7%, 2022 10% (that’s with rampant inflation), 2023 10.5%. I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re targeting 12-15% margins in 2025. Will be interesting to see 24’s financial statement.

Man, this 25 bike has made me cynical…
 
Just sitting around in recovery boots after my bike ride passing the time…

If you want riding photos, look around the forum. I haven’t been shy…

But since you mentioned it, let’s see some photos of you on the podium or your palmares since you’re such the skilled racer
 
Yeah I post a lot on how skilled of a racer I am. I do a one or two club races a season, always jabs with you. I want to see your strava more then anything, if you don't shave your legs I will have actually lost all respect for you.


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KarlKani said:
Yeah I post a lot on how skilled of a racer I am. I do a one or two club races a season, always jabs with you. I want to see your strava more then anything, if you don't shave your legs I will have actually lost all respect for you.


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Have the same ones haha. If you’re an amateur cyclist and shave your legs, I have lost respect for you 😉 Also the lady friend doesn’t like it. I’m only at 4.5 w/kg on 6–8 hr training a week. Nothing special… I don’t have any strong Strava segments around here. Lots of fast riders and pros around the Bay Area/Santa Cruz. My most notable “KOM” is lapping my local 16 mi/3700 ft climbing mtb course in sub-2 hr (nearest rider is 18 mins off it)
 
With graphics you get to see the side vents better, and especially the nose, dig that the wings are combined with the under-nose area, very clever compared to the appendages on the prev gen.
 

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