New Panigale V4 is ugly?

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Speaking of “us track guys,” whatever happened to the guy who bought a late model 1199R and then a 1299FE in quick succession? I think his username was 1299FE
 
He’s off racing his GSXR on the east coast….doesn’t dwell much here anymore.
 
Steven31371 said:
Dunno about stat nerds but us track guys will probably switch to it, or the R version anyway.

As far as looks, I think it’s pretty cool that Ducati of all people placed performance above looks in a bike.

This bike is only a livery away from looking cool…have you ever seen a MotoGP bike with the livery…its function over form 100%…they are downright fugly without liveries.

The two bikes posted earlier look dramatically different in large part (but not exclusively) from one having a decent livery and the other not.

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Now look at MotoGP bikes without liveries:

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Oh no.. you are going to send the Ducati site resident non Ducati fan all in a tissy about stickers….
 
Steven31371 said:
I’m VERY curious to see how much of this engine can open up with all those EU regs removed.
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Don’t hold your breath. The Akra pipe for the 1103’s power and torque increase is less than the old version according to Ducati info. It’ll probably be more peaky too with the higher cam lift. Maybe the R will be different.
 
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USD without VAT, they want $109.96 for shipping though.

Shipping to the US is via UPS and is actually pretty quick. Of all the sites I've dealt with, WRS is way ahead of everyone else in Italy.
 
IMHO, Ducati could have done whatever they wanted with the "R" model but should have left the "S" model with the SSSA which most would not hit the track. I could be wrong, but I think the DSSA on the "S" will come back and haunt them in sales.
Moreover, The Price!!!!
For this kind of money and a DSSA, I'd take the S1000RR with all the bell's and whistles that the Ducati Panigale does not have.
The Panigale's value proposition is hard to swallow as it is. I would have to sell my paddock space at our Ascari Circuit Club to afford one ;).
 
DarR said:
IMHO, Ducati could have done whatever they wanted with the "R" model but should have left the "S" model with the SSSA which most would not hit the track. I could be wrong, but I think the DSSA on the "S" will come back and haunt them in sales.
Moreover, The Price!!!!
For this kind of money and a DSSA, I'd take the S1000RR with all the bell's and whistles that the Ducati Panigale does not have.
The Panigale's value proposition is hard to swallow as it is. I would have to sell my paddock space at our Ascari Circuit Club to afford one ;).
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I believe Ducati is pricing in their racing success and their current domination as a premium brand. BMW made a lot of strong moves in the recent times and only MotoGP entry remains to take it to the next level. They finally realized they can go for some of the Ducati high-end market and their M bikes with all the carbon and milled bits do just that. I can tell you I love my M1000XR (in sport tourers it is better than any Multi for me personally), but it is an inline 4, a good one, but still an inline 4. Some people say it lacks character and vibrates at cruising rpms. I say it doesn't lack character with race headers and vibes can be tuned out by some bar ends for the most part, but it remains an inline 4 for what they are. RR is a great bike, yet it is different from Ducati. I think RR makes a lot of sense for a lot of people as you get more bike for your money, but Ducati is plenty exclusive and arguably more than BMW still. Panigale is desmodromic V4 - this is a big deal. On a track day (big circuits in particular), it walks past every 1000 out there making passing very easy on straights. Plus, what other brand can assemble world's most elite riders all together and have them do an exhibition race? BMW signed Toprak and that's massive, but honestly events like WDW is the ultimate flex of a motorcycle manufacturer and only Ducati can do that currently. Whether we like it or not it counts for something and will be priced in.
 
If one were to want a bike with a DSSA, why go with an unproven manufacturer when it comes to this “upgrade.” Price has gone up astronomically bc accountants need to make big margins off it. Also, having different swingarms increases engineering resources, parts, and SKUs. This generation is easily recognizable as a cost cutting iteration
 
KarlKani said:
They had calipers and rotors, not wsbk brake systems
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They obvioulsy didnt trust the new Hypure calipers at Misano as this picture I took shows. This was Alex Marquez's V4. All the bikes had these calipers and finned rotors fitted. It was 42c at Misano on the Saturday, and the discs were blue on many of the bikes, after just one session on track Friday afternoon.

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