New Panigale V4 is ugly?

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I think, that in a solid glossy color, it's pretty difficult to fully see and understand what the bike looks like. Certainly from the first released photos I thought to myself, Oh no, they let the Japanese in the design studio. It's just a smoothed out Yamaha. But I'm pretty sure as we see it in person some of our opinions will change. Remembering how sleek the 1199/1299s were, not everyone was a fan of the more muscley look of the V4s. I'm definitely hoping it has more art in it than an accountants pen. Saying it is styled after the 916 is just marketing drivel.
 
Great marketing strategy to bend over your customers. Though I’m not surprised. Ducatisti aren’t the sharpest tools in the shed as evidence this forum haha 😂

If you think the increase in price is bad for the S, it’s going to be even worse for the R. Not sure how you rationalize ponying up $45k+ to race amateurs or do trackdays when there’s cheaper and more competitive machinery out there. Who’s really the fool?

I resemble that remark. I will ask you though, were is the rationality for any amateur to be in this sport? Every single item we purchase is a depreciating asset... so we are not in it for financial reasons. Every time we ride, we risk physical injury, maybe even death... illogical.

So what drives and inspires us? Different strokes for different folks is probably the best answer. Age, maturity, (not always a linear progression), financial resources, passion and emotional involvement. Everyone chooses their own heroes.

Personally, I admire those who can tinker, modify, and adapt. Maybe it's my upbringing on a farm that instilled this feeling in me? Function over form, and certainly cost, always ruled the day. Rarely did we go to town to buy things for repairs. Anytime something was "fixed", there always seemed to be a pile of "unnecessary" parts leftover. But, as much as I admire this trait, my mentality doesn't allow me to follow this methodology. I'm am mechanically inclined. I have rebuilt old engines and transmissions, and most due to my ability to focus on details and follow complicated instructions. But I'm not the mechanic you need if your car won't start.

My decision was influenced by many things, but the biggest portions were subjective ideals. Form: It's the most beautiful piece of machinery that I have ever hoped to own. Limited Availability: It's a numbered unit with a price tag that will prevent it from being common place for everyone to own. When everyone shops at Walmart for Xmas, then all the kids get the same toys because they are cheaper and mass produced. Mechanical Engineering: It's a screaming beast at 16,500 rpm with an unlimited warranty. Unlimited miles... I don't need to become a mechanic, I can just ride. Marketing: History and performance presented in a slick campaign. I'm not immune. Even though I understand that I am being manipulated, the logic doesn't overcome emotion. Is the big number 1 on the side of the bike marketing? You bet it is. Potential: I can envision myself flying on this machine. It feels so smooth and refined. Like there is nothing mechanically preventing me from my best experience on the track. It's a dream come true. Everything is up to me to improve.

As far as being rational, I have zero rebuttal. But I am already tired of the one-sided arguments. There are many factors that influence our decisions. Perhaps yours is weighted towards economy? But I don't think you can benefit from the potential cost savings without skills and knowledge to balance the form/ function ratio. Apparently you possess these, I don't.

In the end, no one's opinion will wipe the smile off my face. When you blow past me on the track, or when you admire the hefty chicken strips that I'm rockin' in the paddock, it's all good to me, and worth every penny that I have overpaid.
 

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I resemble that remark. I will ask you though, were is the rationality for any amateur to be in this sport? Every single item we purchase is a depreciating asset... so we are not in it for financial reasons. Every time we ride, we risk physical injury, maybe even death... illogical.

So what drives and inspires us? Different strokes for different folks is probably the best answer. Age, maturity, (not always a linear progression), financial resources, passion and emotional involvement. Everyone chooses their own heroes.

Personally, I admire those who can tinker, modify, and adapt. Maybe it's my upbringing on a farm that instilled this feeling in me? Function over form, and certainly cost, always ruled the day. Rarely did we go to town to buy things for repairs. Anytime something was "fixed", there always seemed to be a pile of "unnecessary" parts leftover. But, as much as I admire this trait, my mentality doesn't allow me to follow this methodology. I'm am mechanically inclined. I have rebuilt old engines and transmissions, and most due to my ability to focus on details and follow complicated instructions. But I'm not the mechanic you need if your car won't start.

My decision was influenced by many things, but the biggest portions were subjective ideals. Form: It's the most beautiful piece of machinery that I have ever hoped to own. Limited Availability: It's a numbered unit with a price tag that will prevent it from being common place for everyone to own. When everyone shops at Walmart for Xmas, then all the kids get the same toys because they are cheaper and mass produced. Mechanical Engineering: It's a screaming beast at 16,500 rpm with an unlimited warranty. Unlimited miles... I don't need to become a mechanic, I can just ride. Marketing: History and performance presented in a slick campaign. I'm not immune. Even though I understand that I am being manipulated, the logic doesn't overcome emotion. Is the big number 1 on the side of the bike marketing? You bet it is. Potential: I can envision myself flying on this machine. It feels so smooth and refined. Like there is nothing mechanically preventing me from my best experience on the track. It's a dream come true. Everything is up to me to improve.

As far as being rational, I have zero rebuttal. But I am already tired of the one-sided arguments. There are many factors that influence our decisions. Perhaps yours is weighted towards economy? But I don't think you can benefit from the potential cost savings without skills and knowledge to balance the form/ function ratio. Apparently you possess these, I don't.

In the end, no one's opinion will wipe the smile off my face. When you blow past me on the track, or when you admire the hefty chicken strips that I'm rockin' in the paddock, it's all good to me, and worth every penny that I have overpaid.

Definitely a good rationalization for buying a V4R. Whatever you need to justify it… But not to sound like a prick, how does this relate to the new 2025 PV4?
 
Definitely a good rationalization for buying a V4R. Whatever you need to justify it… But not to sound like a prick, how does this relate to the new 2025 PV4?

My response was related to your quoted remarks, not to any particular bike or option. You stated that you weren't sure how someone could rationalize the cost expenditure, and I was explaining my reasoning.

I'm new to the forum, but I have read enough to know that there are lively discussions here, and all very similar to other forums. I'm not looking stir the pot. I'm here to read and learn. I take all of it with a grain of salt. We all have a common interest and I'm excited to be a part of it.
 
Here’s 44T press release 😂



Ducati did not want to .... up this launch allocating a dedicated technician to each pundit.

Also check out the chatter at 9m30s when he’s on the brakes (also sounds like they couldn’t dial in enough preload bc he’s bottomed out). Hope this isn’t bc of the more flexible frame
 
For looks only I think the previous iteration beats it, but at least on paper this bike is leaps forward. Bigger radiator and better airflow over it should help with heating problems…more lateral flex so the bike will feel less like it’s on marbles compared to other bikes at maximum torque at lean angles. And that rear braking FOR YOU bit is epic…that’s something you don’t see on any other bike and if it works well is akin to the way Porsches driver aides are so good that they turn you into a driving hero.

They can eat a .... on that $8500 exhaust and an absurd $5000 for the ‘racing slip one’, but I suspect that engine is going to really open up with the EU 5 and USA restrictions removed.

I will have a stock de-cat out once i get my hands on one. For roughly 1/10 of the price
 

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