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That desmo is one nasty looking (I mean that in a good way) bike!
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Nice video.
Not to hijack this thread but I noticed one thing about the video of him riding the Desmo on the track.... * 2nd page on this thread...
I'm certainly no expert, but I have been riding a long time on the track and I noticed the guy riding in front of the video camera needs to get his head moved over more in most of the turns.
** He scoots his ... and legs over but then moves his head back over the seat/center line for the bike. This tends to lessen the amount of lean angle capability versus being completely hanging off.
That negates a lot of the weight he is attempting to move hanging off.
Just about all of us experienced track riders started off doing that way..(myself included) It really feels like you are hanging off but in reality you're not hanging off as much as you think..
Being filmed by someone else is a real good way to see what you are really doing in the turns.. He seems to be riding well but I just noticed his head position could be better..
Just an observation..
Speedy
Not to hijack this thread but I noticed one thing about the video of him riding the Desmo on the track.... * 2nd page on this thread...
I'm certainly no expert, but I have been riding a long time on the track and I noticed the guy riding in front of the video camera needs to get his head moved over more in most of the turns.
** He scoots his ... and legs over but then moves his head back over the seat/center line for the bike. This tends to lessen the amount of lean angle capability versus being completely hanging off.
That negates a lot of the weight he is attempting to move hanging off.
Just about all of us experienced track riders started off doing that way..(myself included)
It really feels like you are hanging off but in reality you're not hanging off as much as you think.. Being filmed by someone else is a real good way to see what you are really doing in the turns.. He seems to be riding well but I just noticed his head position could be better..
Just an observation..
Speedy
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Mick Doohan had a similar style, never got off the bike as much as the new school riders. I tend to be the same but that's because I'm a lazy ........Nice video.
Not to hijack this thread but I noticed one thing about the video of him riding the Desmo on the track.... * 2nd page on this thread...
I'm certainly no expert, but I have been riding a long time on the track and I noticed the guy riding in front of the video camera needs to get his head moved over more in most of the turns.
** He scoots his ... and legs over but then moves his head back over the seat/center line for the bike. This tends to lessen the amount of lean angle capability versus being completely hanging off.
That negates a lot of the weight he is attempting to move hanging off.
Just about all of us experienced track riders started off doing that way..(myself included)
Being filmed by someone else is a real good way to see what you are really doing in the turns.. He seems to be riding well but I just noticed his head position could be better..
Just an observation..
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Nice video.
Not to hijack this thread but I noticed one thing about the video of him riding the Desmo on the track.... * 2nd page on this thread...
I'm certainly no expert, but I have been riding a long time on the track and I noticed the guy riding in front of the video camera needs to get his head moved over more in most of the turns.
** He scoots his ... and legs over but then moves his head back over the seat/center line for the bike. This tends to lessen the amount of lean angle capability versus being completely hanging off.
That negates a lot of the weight he is attempting to move hanging off.
Just about all of us experienced track riders started off doing that way..(myself included)
Being filmed by someone else is a real good way to see what you are really doing in the turns.. He seems to be riding well but I just noticed his head position could be better..
Just an observation..
Speedy
He is the head instructor and owner of the Riding School, more along the lines of the California Superbike School rather than a race school....I don't think he was entirely comfortable riding someone else's very expensive motorcycle.
He's also a slightly older gentleman, late 40's, when I recorded this video.
When Doohan was at his peak they did not have the same tire technology (or suspension technology for that matter)..ie; lean angle capability on their bikes. Although many other riders did hang off.. Doohan was an exceptional racer for sure.. Before him Kenny Roberts was the man.. and he more or less brought the hanging off style to American racers.. He observed some Japanese riders using that technique while overseas and realized the advantages..
By not hanging off more you limit the lean angle/speed available and have to add more lean that necessary to make a turn at a given speed. The more upright the bike is for a given turn and speed the more contact patch of the tire and the more suspension you have at your disposal.. Sit upright and you will have to lean more for a given turn..using up lean angle.. No biggie at slow pace but riskier the faster you go.. IN the old days they all had the same tire technology etc.
Simple geometry.. Many old time champion riders back in the day, did not hang off much but they would not be very competitive by today's standards..
In the video they are just doing some laps and not racing etc so it is of little consequence anyway... I can certainly understand why he would be reticent to push the bike since it wasn't his LOL....I cant imagine what the body work alone would cost
I just noticed that it looked like a typical rookie mistake of sliding your butt off the seat but keeping your upper body and head still over the center line and not really offsetting the weight as much as you might think...I did it--- we all did it when we first started dragging our knee etc..
As an example, Look at the picture of me on my old ZX10 (in my Avatar). I have my knee down and barely have my upper body and head off the inside but it is not hanging over the top of the tank.. Since I am 6'5'' it doesn't take much for me to be dragging a knee LOL.... I learned the hard way right away when I started riding on the track.. I learned to get over more to the inside (head included).. I was using waay too much lean for a given turn and had to tuck the front end to finally figure it out LOL
Read Keith Code's "Twist of the Wrist II" book...It is a great learning tool..
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Here's a great article on MotoGP: Origins Of Style...When Doohan was at his peak they did not have the same tire technology (or suspension technology for that matter)..ie; lean angle capability on their bikes. Although many other riders did hang off.. Doohan was an exceptional racer for sure.. Before him Kenny Roberts was the man.. and he more or less brought the hanging off style to American racers.. He observed some Japanese riders using that technique while overseas and realized the advantages..
By not hanging off more you limit the lean angle/speed available and have to add more lean that necessary to make a turn at a given speed. The more upright the bike is for a given turn and speed the more contact patch of the tire and the more suspension you have at your disposal.. Sit upright and you will have to lean more for a given turn..using up lean angle.. No biggie at slow pace but riskier the faster you go.. IN the old days they all had the same tire technology etc.
Simple geometry.. Many old time champion riders back in the day, did not hang off much but they would not be very competitive by today's standards..
In the video they are just doing some laps and not racing etc so it is of little consequence anyway... I can certainly understand why he would be reticent to push the bike since it wasn't his LOL....I cant imagine what the body work alone would cost
I just noticed that it looked like a typical rookie mistake of sliding your butt off the seat but keeping your upper body and head still over the center line and not really offsetting the weight as much as you might think...I did it--- we all did it when we first started dragging our knee etc..
As an example, Look at the picture of me on my old ZX10 (in my Avatar). I have my knee down and barely have my upper body and head off the inside but it is not hanging over the top of the tank.. Since I am 6'5'' it doesn't take much for me to be dragging a knee LOL.... I learned the hard way right away when I started riding on the track.. I learned to get over more to the inside (head included).. I was using waay too much lean for a given turn and had to tuck the front end to finally figure it out LOL
Read Keith Code's "Twist of the Wrist II" book...It is a great learning tool..
Speedy
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