Panigale to Streetfighter?

mayhan1980 · Dec 5, 2024

Usually around this time of the year with EICMA and bike releases, I get excited about the new stuff and sometimes make the wrong decision.
I currently own a 24 Panigale V4R, 23 Street Triple Moto 2 and 23 KTM 450 SMR Supermoto. The V4R is used only for trackdays, Street Triple does some trackdays and some city-canyon riding. The Supermoto is my biggest training and fun tool. $50 trackdays and low tire cost. I am kind of getting tired off all the maintenance, sometimes hauling two bikes to the track, dealing with tires etc.
I was thinking about selling the V4R and StreetTriple instead getting either the new 25 Panigale V4S or the 25 StreetFighter V4S. One bike, that does both trackdays and city-canyon riding.
What I like about the Panigale is the 1- Crazy power 2- Looks 3- Handling, my lower back doesn't like just how uncomfortable it is (I will be 45 in two months) The Triumph is 1- Super comfy 2- Great handling 3- fun to ride, I wish it had more power (hard to pass liter bikes at the track) and wasn't ugly. StreetFighter 1- Comfortable 2- decent looking 3- powerful, but would it make a good track bike (?)
For reference, I owned a 21 StreetFighter V4S (never tried it at the track, I had a S1000RR for track duty at the time), I wasn't happy with the power band and throttle response. It also felt lazy in handling.
I owned a 23 Panigale V4S, the new 22+ electronics in Street mode was pretty good in the city. It just wore me out in 3 sessions at the track.
Has anyone tried the StreetFighter at the track after owning a Pani? I'm worried about the non fairing situation creating wind problem with such a powerful bike at the track and making it maybe uncomfortable again.

CSV4 · Friday at 9:38 AM

Ridden a 22 PV4S and 24SFV4S on track. The PV4S has a materially better front end on track although I think they’re both using the same equipment

baggerman · Saturday at 2:30 PM

The V4SF's in reality have a 26.5 degree head with 108 mm trail. Ignore the specs they be lying. The V4SF is also 20 mm longer. V4SF's do not have motorized velocity stacks either. And because of the gearing (15/42) they're more restricted. Buy a Pani and put high bars on it. Way better solution for your intended use.

akai · Sunday at 10:37 PM

mayhan1980 said:
Usually around this time of the year with EICMA and bike releases, I get excited about the new stuff and sometimes make the wrong decision.
I currently own a 24 Panigale V4R, 23 Street Triple Moto 2 and 23 KTM 450 SMR Supermoto. The V4R is used only for trackdays, Street Triple does some trackdays and some city-canyon riding. The Supermoto is my biggest training and fun tool. $50 trackdays and low tire cost. I am kind of getting tired off all the maintenance, sometimes hauling two bikes to the track, dealing with tires etc.
I was thinking about selling the V4R and StreetTriple instead getting either the new 25 Panigale V4S or the 25 StreetFighter V4S. One bike, that does both trackdays and city-canyon riding.
What I like about the Panigale is the 1- Crazy power 2- Looks 3- Handling, my lower back doesn't like just how uncomfortable it is (I will be 45 in two months) The Triumph is 1- Super comfy 2- Great handling 3- fun to ride, I wish it had more power (hard to pass liter bikes at the track) and wasn't ugly. StreetFighter 1- Comfortable 2- decent looking 3- powerful, but would it make a good track bike (?)
For reference, I owned a 21 StreetFighter V4S (never tried it at the track, I had a S1000RR for track duty at the time), I wasn't happy with the power band and throttle response. It also felt lazy in handling.
I owned a 23 Panigale V4S, the new 22+ electronics in Street mode was pretty good in the city. It just wore me out in 3 sessions at the track.
Has anyone tried the StreetFighter at the track after owning a Pani? I'm worried about the non fairing situation creating wind problem with such a powerful bike at the track and making it maybe uncomfortable again.

Sfv4sp2 has all the good pani track stuff suspension ,geometry ,electronics and carbon wheels but is comfortable. Streets lovely,mountains are a joy, havent noticed any heat problems,my st4s is much hotte! . Don't worry about wind. Its good on the road upto about 150 before I even notice it. You could probably improve on that with a screen.

CSV4 · 2024-12-11T14:04:13-0800

akai said:
Sfv4sp2 has all the good pani track stuff suspension ,geometry ,electronics and carbon wheels but is comfortable. Streets lovely,mountains are a joy, havent noticed any heat problems,my st4s is much hotte! . Don't worry about wind. Its good on the road upto about 150 before I even notice it. You could probably improve on that with a screen.

I don’t think the geometry is the same and it makes a noticeable difference on track. Always felt closer to the limit on the SF and was not as easy to find/hold a line. Maybe if you changed the geometry you’d get closer between the two. Stock, at the end of the day the SF lives up to its name. Would definitely pick it for street

Desmolvr · 2024-12-11T16:50:04-0800

I had an 18 V4 Speciale that I tracked and now a 23 SFV4S. The current SF like mentioned is not as sharp as the Panigale. That is supposed to be changed for the new 25’s but since there are no reviews of the SF it is yet to be confirmed.

baggerman · 2024-12-11T17:30:54-0800

CSV4 said:
I don’t think the geometry is the same and it makes a noticeable difference on track. Always felt closer to the limit on the SF and was not as easy to find/hold a line. Maybe if you changed the geometry you’d get closer between the two. Stock, at the end of the day the SF lives up to its name. Would definitely pick it for street

I found mine dangerous. Pushed at turn in, had to hold it down on the line, etc. The Pani head bushings are 24.5 vs 26.5 degrees. $58 each. You can take the forks off, heat the subframe at the head and bang them out. Heat the subframe while freezing the bushing to replace (they'll drop in). Transforms the front end.

baggerman · 2024-12-12T10:31:27-0800

I wanted to add one other comment if this turns up in someone's future search. With the stock SF gearing you can rotate the swingarm eccentric forward enough to take 2 links out of the chain and still be able to adjust the chain. This shortens the wheelbase about 5/8 of an inch (about 15mm). It also raises the rear about 5 mm (which your can correct if you want with an adjustable TTX shock or dogbones but why bother it's like another 1/5 of degree of rake which helps load the front a little more). When you change the head bushings the wheelbase is shortened about 10 mm. So with these two changes the SF chassis is the almost the same as the first iteration of Panigale with the exception of the holes in the front subframe (the V4SF has no holes). Makes the bike act like what you expected when you bought it.

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