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Do you mean 2018 V4? as in fixed in the lowest position? If its for your 22 v4 base which is fixed in another position you are swapping the complete components to change?
Panigale V4 Swingarm Position
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Do you mean 2018 V4? as in fixed in the lowest position? If its for your 22 v4 base which is fixed in another position you are swapping the complete components to change?
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The rider i was working with last year was riding a 2018 V4S it had k-tech suspension and Rearsets, we used this while we were waiting for the R to arrive, second time out he knocked a second off the lap record, STD pivot was -4 compared to the R from memory, we raised the COG quite a bit and that made more of a difference than the pivot adjustments, when we setup the R he was only 2 tenths faster.
Rider is ex MotoGP and he actually preferred the S on our shorter track, we ended the season with a -1 pivot on the R
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As we are at page 3, since the V4 came out, these are the options if you have an adjustable set up.
If im guessing, The neutral position of 0 would be at 0300 on the clock face. Going below to say 0400 would be -1 from 0. Going to 0500 would be -3. Going above 0 to say 0200 would be +1 above the 0 and finally the highest setting is +3.
-1 and +1 are 2mm difference in height of the pivot and are both the longest back to extend the SA length.
So there is no -4 setting but the adjustment could be 4mm from where it started as there is potentially 6mm to play with from one extreme to the other.
If im guessing, The neutral position of 0 would be at 0300 on the clock face. Going below to say 0400 would be -1 from 0. Going to 0500 would be -3. Going above 0 to say 0200 would be +1 above the 0 and finally the highest setting is +3.
-1 and +1 are 2mm difference in height of the pivot and are both the longest back to extend the SA length.
So there is no -4 setting but the adjustment could be 4mm from where it started as there is potentially 6mm to play with from one extreme to the other.
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-1 keeps coming up as the sweet spot haha!
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Thanks Bruce. So raising the COG was done by lengthening the shock and raising the front, or did you get into raising the seat too?
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Raising rear shock and raising front, we use motospec software to set up our bikes, it gives us accurate measurements of vertical and horizontal COG as well as many other things.
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Hey Anthony. Yes, I think the 22 swingarm pivot is equivalent to -1 on the V4R. We're fitting the adjustable to the base 18, to try and get the same measurement. Although, it's not 100% apples to apples, as the threaded part of the engine case is located slightly differently in the R and base bikes. But, will see.
Yes, I tried the +3, which, is supposedly closer to the base bikes. Could not make it work. I also added loads of rude height. Think I ended up with a shock length of 320mm.
But, I'm wondering if the base bikes are actually closer to +1. Which, would make sense with your rider's lap times.
The +3 setting, was apparently Pirro's preference, and I guess would suit his style. Brake extremely late, to the apex, then full throttle out. Kind of like Dovi's GP bike
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The markings on the V4R adjustable pivot are misleading, and are only relevant to the V4R.
The numbers, are in reference to the centre line of the bolt (cam shaped). You can never achieve 0. And, the height that the bolt sits on the side plates, and in the engine, is also different (to the 1103 bikes).
On the V4R, you can be -1mm, -3mm, +1mm or +3mm, from the center line.
They do not reference the 1103cc bike pivots.
The numbers, are in reference to the centre line of the bolt (cam shaped). You can never achieve 0. And, the height that the bolt sits on the side plates, and in the engine, is also different (to the 1103 bikes).
On the V4R, you can be -1mm, -3mm, +1mm or +3mm, from the center line.
They do not reference the 1103cc bike pivots.
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The 0 is just a datum point.
So if you put the R in the -3 position what does that measure?
It’s not misleading at all. Your figures above represent
22 bike +1 (albeit fixed)
18 bike -3
= the 4 mm increase Ducati keep mentioning!
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So early v4r in your measurements as the adjuster rotates from lowest to highest position the number gets less and in 2mm increments to a total of 6mm
-3 280
-1 278
+1 276
+3 274
Karl’s new R came as std in the +1 position…
Ducati say the 22 is 4mm different from the 21 bike .
The pic of Pirro’s bike is at -1
On your numbers the 18 and presumably to the 21 bike the number is 282 that would give the 4mm to -1
I think the numbers are relative throughout the v4 range, but what is not understood is where they are accurately to Ducati.
Can this be clarified with moto spec?
-3 280
-1 278
+1 276
+3 274
Karl’s new R came as std in the +1 position…
Ducati say the 22 is 4mm different from the 21 bike .
The pic of Pirro’s bike is at -1
On your numbers the 18 and presumably to the 21 bike the number is 282 that would give the 4mm to -1
I think the numbers are relative throughout the v4 range, but what is not understood is where they are accurately to Ducati.
Can this be clarified with moto spec?
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She definately needs a fill up lol
Hey RickD996, I looked at mine 2018 V4 and the 2023 V4 I just got and spot on, 278mm and 282mm.
That's actually a really easy way to get an idea of the high of the pivot point and accurate enough to use as a reference, nice!
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I had these on my 2020 base v4 they mounted using the top hole.
they now fit my 2022 base V4 using the bottom hole.
They are listed as fitting all the V4 models including the R and you can see they have the classic 4 positions marked on them.
How does that work then? If the external circle stayed the same throughout rotation of the 4 positions id get it. But then why need the upper and lower mounting holes?
they now fit my 2022 base V4 using the bottom hole.
They are listed as fitting all the V4 models including the R and you can see they have the classic 4 positions marked on them.
How does that work then? If the external circle stayed the same throughout rotation of the 4 positions id get it. But then why need the upper and lower mounting holes?
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Because, the 18 and 22 swingarm bolt is 4mm different in height.
In order to allow this, the brack can be mounted to the engine block, in a high or low position, with a 4mm difference between the two positions.
If you mount this on a V4R, and on a 22 bike, you will not be able to achieve the same swingarm position.
The 22 will give '0', as the bolt is straight through.
If you fitted the R bolts, you would be able to go -3, -1, +1 and +3. Never '0', you need the 22 engine case and pivot bolts.
If you fitted it to an 18, for the argument, it would be +4 (ref to '0' on 22)
Then, if you fitted the R bolts, you would end up at:
+1, +3, +5 and +6 (in relation to 22 position)
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Actually, if you have a V4R, and want the 22 swingarm position, then you can fit the pivot bolts from the 22, and you can have the same pivot height.
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